Trusting Your Body Through Your Inner Wisdom with Lisa Warner

Ian Hawkins 0:02

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Hi, everyone. And my first set Warner aren't maybe not the first I think I've had someone else twice now. But the second time I've had this lovely lady on my podcast. And I've got her back. Because when I went through and looked through the numbers, her episode was the one that you all love the most. And that is Lisa Warner. Lisa, how are you?

Unknown Speaker 1:26

` Hey, yeah, I'm great. How are you doing?

Ian Hawkins 1:29

going very well, thank you. And that episode, the simplicity of self healing, obviously, really struck a chord with the listeners. And I actually when I went back and looked some my individual episodes around the similar theme around how our body talks to us. So I'm really excited to have you back. I said to you earlier, I rewatched. The recording of that originalepisode, and we've both changed a bit since then, which is cool. But we also want to look at that your story through a different lens this time, which I'm looking forward to doing. So firstly, how have you been the last couple of years what cool things have happened for you and what's going well,

Unknown Speaker 2:17

s that are not true. Soout in: 2023

Ian Hawkins 3:27

Yeah, I just spoke over the top of you that when you mentioned the name of the person, what was what was their name?

Unknown Speaker 3:32

Oh, Keith Leon S.

Ian Hawkins 3:35

Excellent.We'll make sure we put some of their details in the show notes too, so that people can find him and then when the movie comes out, Paul have that as well. Well, that's really exciting. That is where did that opportunity come from?

Unknown Speaker 3:53

Key a Keith, I actually got connected to Keith, through a book project that he was doing. He's known as the book guy. And he was doing a project when, when the whole pandemic thing hit. He was out doing a book tour on on angels. He's, he's the angel. He's also the angel guy who wrote a book called walking with my angels. So he was doing his book tour and he was out talking about angels and helping people connect to their higher selves and their guides and that this whole thing hit and the whole world shut down. And all of a sudden, he was like, whoa, what just happened in my life, like, everything I was doing just stopped. And so he tuned in and it was like, Okay, now what do I do? And they, the guidance that he received was do a series of books. And he said, Okay, great. What What's the title? What do I talk about? Yeah, it was navigate

Unknown Speaker 5:00

The clickety clack how to live a peaceful life in a seemingly toxic world. So he started to reach out to people who live peaceful lives. And you know, no matter what's going on in the external world, and you know, he's now on his fourth volume of this book, so it's kind of like Chicken Soup for the Soul. But navigating clickety clack. So I was in Volume Two, and Keith and I struck up a really good relationship. And here's my monthly guest on my soul, Lucien Sunday, because the soul is the solution.So we created this great relationship. And when he does when he realized that, hey, in my 20s, and 30s, I was going to be a rock star. So he's saying was Stevie Wonder, and you know, all kinds of other really famous people. He did that in his 20s and 30s. And then, you know, when he was in his 40s, he was supposed to be a best seller, he, he, in his mind, you know, in his dreams, he was like, you know, I'll be a best selling author in my 40s. So he became a best selling author, and then, you know, it that turned into being a publishing company. And then the dream was in my 50s, I'm going to be a movie director, and a producer and director. And all of a sudden, he realized, hey, wait a minute, I'm in my 50s. This is what I'm supposed to be doing now. Hang on, wait a second. So he started, he started doing movies. And so this is now his first movie. And he's doing a documentary about how the body heals itself. So I'm blessed to be in this in this movie with this beautiful friend of mine.

Ian Hawkins 6:51

Yeah, wow, that is beautiful. And much like the first conversation, we had the there'll be a made out of focus on the nudges of the universe. And that intuitive side of us, that gives us guidance. And I was saying before, that,right on cue, when we're about to sit down and talk to someone, the cat will come and show up and plunk herself on my lap like she just did then. So for those who are listening intently, may have heard some purring then because she wanted to do she wanted to be part of the show. But it gives us one of those mysteries of the universe. Like why does that happen? Why she doesn't show up any other times. She comes at the start of the conversation, and then she leaves again.Like the conversation I was having my mom yesterday, there's a whole lot of stuff going on in our world in our life that we don't fully, truly comprehend. But the more open we are to it, the more of these moments of synchronicities that you describe where someone comes shows up in your world you become close to when they want to put you in a movie. That's That's amazing. Love it.

Unknown Speaker 7:54

Yeah, yeah, we just have the like the full moon lunar eclipse today, with so so many energies going on, so many synchronicities happening for humanity. So many new portals opening up and lots of possibilities happening.

Ian Hawkins 8:11

Yep, spot on. Now, it's a little bit of a different chat to how I used to do it back then. And we want to look specifically through some of those real key defining moments in your life. And we've got a few of them to navigate around. And it starts from something that is, is becoming more prevalent in the conversations I'm having. And that's the moment where people gave up their power. And for me, I can remember in my teens, when I end up in fights with my siblings, and then you know, that that poor, poor me sort of attitude, feeling like I always ended up the one in trouble, which is, of course, not true. It's just when you're a child, that's how you perceive things. And I made the conscious choice of I will no longer fight any of this, I'll just accept whatever comes my way. and away I go. And I know, now that I gave up so much of my power. Many people can identify with having those such moments when they're often in those teen years when when we sort of shifting away from from patterns of childhood and starting to go on that journey of becoming an adult, for you, though, happened much, much earlier than anyone I've ever spoken to before. So tell us a little bit about that. How that unfolded for you and your your unique way that you were quite aware of you and your surroundings at that young age.

Unknown Speaker 9:33

Well, yeah, when I was very, very young, I just I would go to bed at night and I would just be part of the unified field I would just be part of the unconditional love of source. And

Ian Hawkins 9:51

so what what did that actually look and feel like? So at that young age, we like feeling like you were like Hot have like a dream state sort of thing or like what what are that actually experienced if you if you put it in terms of what most humans would understand, well,

Unknown Speaker: 10:11

it would be like I would be floating in space. And I would be looking at the Earth from space.The space wasn't just a void, it wasn't space. It was filled with unconditional love. It was filled with light. It was filled with living lifeforce energy.And I knew that that space was everlasting, it was eternal, it was what is.And from that space, I would look at Earth. And it wasn't just that I was looking at this ball floating through space, it was I was looking at the history of humanity, I was looking at the history of Earth itself, I was looking atthe wars that were going on about, you know, who's God was better than who's and you know, money and, you know, all of this control structure. And I would see, I would see old people in nursing homes, and I would see that they were in these bodies that they couldn't control anymore, and that they, you know, that they were just trapped in these bodies, just like waiting to die in these Deathwatch facilities. And I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that it was not supposed to be that way. And that these bodies were meant to last for hundreds of years. And then, you know, I would come back in my body, and I would look around and go, Wow, like, they don't do that stuff here. Like, you know, the stuff that I know to be true and real, is not what they do here. And so, you know, three or four years old, was like, wow, like, I don't, I don't know why I'm here. Like, I really, truly thought that I was being punished, because I couldn't figure out why they would send me to this penal colony, you know, from the space of all that is and you know, infinite possibilities and unconditional love. Like, why? Why did I get sent here, into this space where they don't do unconditional love, and everything is a war and everything is a struggle and poverty. Andso I, I had a really hard time navigating all of that when I was really young. So I kind of, I ended up giving up my seniority, when consciously like, when I was four years old, because when I was sent off to preschool and school,like I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that that's where the, the programming happened was when we got sent off to school. That's where our minds got programs. So I knew that I didn't really have any choice. My My mother was a teacher, and you know, like, no, no, no, no, no bad against my mom. But, you know, at four years old, when your mother is a teacher, and you're being sent off to preschool in school, like, there's no way you're going to be able to go, hey, you know, yeah, I'm not going to get programmed. Hello.It's not gonna happen. Yeah.

Ian Hawkins: 14:21

So that awareness that you talked about, must have been completely overwhelming at that age, but I was just thinking, how many people come to not even half that level of awareness later in life? And,and some people are working really hard to be able to come to that level of awareness for you being presented with that from quite a young age. Likedid that really negatively impact your ability to navigate? Life in general, like those school relationships like all relationships, and if so how, howDid you get through all of that?

Unknown Speaker: 15:02

Well, yeah, I mean, my, my life is pretty weird as far as you know, like the normal thing.But from my perspective, I think we're all born that way. Like, I think we're all born with a fully open connection to Source. And then I think that just, you know, we get slammed with the reality around us. And we just shut ourselves down like I did.When,when I was a little kid, when I went, when I went off to kindergarten and preschool, I was like, I just started looking around. I was like, hey, maybe there's some some kids that still remember what I remember. And, you know, I looked around, I was like, Oh, nobody remembers what I remember. Like, I could see, I could see them. Like, I don't know how to explain that I could see that they were that had already gone to sleep, so to speak, that they were already in the amnesia. But I got for me, I got angry. I was just like, Oh, why don't you remember who you are?Why does nobody remember who they are? Like, come on, wake up.Hello.So I just I was I, in my own experience, was just, I was really kind of angry at humanity. Like, why? Why is this happening? Why does nobody remember it? Andso I, obviously I needed to be able to learn compassion, and to be able to express myself in a way that would help other people to wake up rather than, like, wake up. What's wrong with you?

Ian Hawkins: 17:10

So, so what you just described there that kind of feels like, what's been happening for the last two and a half years, is there's a whole lot of angry people who have suddenly had a new awareness, new awakening, trying to scream at people to to wake up. And it's like, no, yes, no, and how it works exactly help people, we help people to find the truth of who they are not who you think they are, who they think they should be. And so you're having that awareness at that age. So how did that relate? Like, from what age were you then able to then change how you brought that compassion to the table and understanding and helping people to navigate their own journey towards that awakening?

Unknown Speaker: 17:54

Well, it took me a really, really long time. Yeah, yeah. Because I shut everything down. You know, by the time I was four or five years old, I had shut everything down. I was like, I don't want to participate. You know, like, I, I will do what is required of me, but I will not participate. So for me, I, I didn't participate in a lot of things. I was a high level figure skater. That was where I participated in myself, because I could just be myself on the ice. So I, I skated and I became a very high level figure skater. But I wouldn't compete, I wouldn't participate in that judgment thing. And, you know, so I got judged a lot for that. But, you know, so I did figure skating for a really long time. And then in my mid 30s,I had a very, really awakening experience when that, you know, I'm an only child. And I had one female cousin, and a few male cousins. And the, the one female cousin was six months younger than me. And we became really, really close. We were kind of like, you know, as close as sisters could be. Andso we did, we did a lot of things. We communicated a lot. And then, so in my 30s, she had become married, she had gotten married. They had gone overseas, they came back, they were living in Colorado, I was living in Aspen. And I found out that she and her husband had kind of become estranged. And so we reconnected and basically, she was going to come and live with me. And we had arranged everything, gotten her a job.You know, changed my condo so that she could come I'm in live with me. And 10 days before she was going to live with me. She was murdered by her husband, estranged husband, whatever. So that was like a really pivotal point in my life. Because, you know, it wasn't a shock to me, because I knew that there was that potential. And, you know, but when I went to the funeral, I,you know, there was this open casket and there she was, and it this is like, my whole, like, first funeral kind of thing. And, you know, I got there and found out that this was an open casket thing, I was like, oh, goodness, gracious, this is like, this is crazy. Like, okay, I'm gonna go do this, and I'm gonna go look, and I'm going to, I'm going to connect with her, and I'm going to see what's going on. And when I got when I walked up to her, I was my, my entire reaction was, I, if you can see your hair, you would not be so happy. In that moment, I was just like, I knew she was okay. Like, I knew I was talking to her, I knew that she was totally fine. And everything after that, like changed, because I knew that she was fine. And that she could hear me. And that all was good. So that from that point on, I could hear her talking to me, we were having these conversations, but my rational mind was just like, Oh, you're crazy. That's not really happening. But, you know, that was a really pivotal point in my life, where I knew there was I started to remember that there was an afterlife that there was something greater than what was going on here in the obvious realm.

Ian Hawkins: 22:00

Oh, I got goose bumps through that last part.To me, that's the grief of losing someone.I don't know if everyone reaches this point. But But I had a moment like that Not like that early. Okay. It actually was probably eight years after where with my dad, I'm like, Ah, by he actually, I got a vision. And it's like, no, he's actually okay. He's actually okay. And there's a form of closure in that.Four days in, or how many days in Were you having that experience that, like, even even through the conversation, I'm feeling that I'm not sensing much. If anything, still there, most people have something unresolved. But for you to have that closure at such an early date. For me, it confirms how important it is to have that. And particularly the people can believe whatever they believe about afterlife, scientific perspective, the energy continues and he doesn't disappear. And it stays in some form. So you can choose to believe, whatever you choose to believe. But when you just describe the experience, I've had my own experiences, I'm sure other people can identify the experiences there, where you just get a knowing that everything's okay, that they are okay, that there is far more going on here in the conscious world than we're what we're aware of. So given that you have had so much of this really clear awareness, and it's really been aa theme throughout your life. How have you learned to help other people to come to more of that awareness? You said, you realize that it's actually bringing more compassion to help them to wake up to the, to more of that truth of who they are and, and out of this slumber what what sort of steps can you recommend to the listeners on how they can start to explore that space and start to be able to come to more of that understanding of what's really going on?

Unknown Speaker: 24:13

Well, you know, for me, it took me a, having a massive personal crisis, multiple personal crises, to be able to, like, wake myself up and shake myself beyond what's obvious, you know, because when we look at the external world we look at and we see what's obvious, right? Like, we see there's obviously something wrong with my body or these people just died. So you know, it's obvious that they're, they no longer exist, or, you know, it's obvious what they tell us on the news is, you know, and what I realized is that what? What's obvious is not actually what's true. It doesn't mean just because it's obvious doesn't mean that it's true. So, you know, for me, you know, just because my cousin Chris died, you know, it was obvious that she was dead. You know, she was gone. However, when I went there, and I looked at her, I was like, Ican see. Yeah.

Ian Hawkins: 25:33

That was that was that her voice was that

Unknown Speaker: 25:36

that was just me. And

Unknown Speaker: 25:39

me talking. Like, it was just like me like some crazy voice of mine. It was just like, hey, yeah, it wasn't me. So excited if he can see Yeah, right now. It's like, they didn't do such justice. Yeah. It was just like, it was just me and her having this like, little moment of just fun. And it was, it was just, I was definitely talking to her. And it was just kind of this voice that came through me that was just like, I shut out, like, please, humans. Like, they don't get it. It was just kind of this, this thing that just came through me. And it was my connection to her. And, you know, it went beyond the obvious, like, the obvious was, like, you know, her body was there dead, and they hadn't done her hair all that great. You know, like, that's what was obvious. But when I looked beyond the obvious was like, there my cousin was, there, she was, like, fully alive and well. And, you know, so I started, I guess that was part of the thing that started helping me to look beyond the obvious. Hmm.

Ian Hawkins: 27:01

So, so that those moments that don't make sense from a logical from an obvious perspective, that make us go, that was a bit different, we tend to explain away with some sort of logic, but if we, if I get this right, what you're saying is, if we more explore what, from a different perspective through a different lens from a more of a inner knowing, then we can start to find there's so much more going on.

Unknown Speaker: 27:30

Yeah, you know, when I, when I ended up facing cancer, you know, what was obvious was, hey, there's something wrong with my body, I got these tumors growing, I got all this pain, I got all this stuff going on, you know, there's obviously something wrong with my body.But then, when I actually tuned in, and I was actually able to see, from a higher perspective, it was like, hey,there's nothing wrong with your body, your body's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing under the circumstances that you've given it. So there's nothing wrong with your body. Look beyond what's obvious, so that you can see what's actually happening.

Ian Hawkins: 28:25

Yeah, so more being more aware of all of your senses. But then asking, Okay, what's what's really going on, and then starting to be more curious and dig a bit deeper. So one of the things that that's an example of that is when you introduce me to the concept, or not even concept, the very scientific method of German new medicine became a whole new awareness of each specific illness. Is your body telling you something about what's what's been, and the one that really stands out was the the doctor who actually came up with this concept when he was talking about his own, he just lost his son, six months early, and then suddenly he gets testicular cancer. And he starts asking questions, like,I'm completely healthy. This can't be a coincidence. And then it turns out what he learns is and I'm not, I'm not saying this for your benefit, but for the listeners, it turns out thattesticular cancer is linked to having a death of a child or a pet or something similar, that then creates that same illness. And I remember like my head exploded like Ah man, that just makes so much sense. So, so for you at that point, right. What was thewhat was the moment of like, ah, like a,an aha moment orlikes a light bulb moment that went off. What was your specific example of suddenly you were given some new information or awareness that had you able to think from this completely different perspective? Oh.

Unknown Speaker: 30:13

So when I was going through this whole thing,every I decided that I wanted to find my own answers, I wanted to know how to heal my own body so that I would never have to worry about facing some disease ever again. And I wanted, I wanted to know how this would happen. So I started asking the question every day, what do I need to know about this? What's going on in my body? What do I need to know about this? In order to change it? So I would ask that question every single day, what do I need to know about this in order to change it? And finally, one day, when I was able to get my mind quiet enough, all of a sudden, the answer just popped right in, it was completely obvious. And the answer was, Hey, Lisa, your body's not being attacked by cancer, and neither is anybody else's body, your body's doing exactly what it needs to do, given the circumstances you've provided.

Ian Hawkins: 31:34

I don't know if you wrote those questions down. But that's gone on forever. People who listen to this, a lot would have heard me say talk about journaling, and ask questions, if you're not sure, allow the unconscious part of you to find that answer. So that's just a real life example of the power of that kept asking that same question again and again, until eventually the answer finds it not everyone's going to have the answer, appear in a thought like that. Sometimes life will give us the answer, when we're out there. And suddenly, something we didn't know existed will be presented to us.But having that repetitive Yeah, ask for the solutions. Oh, I love that. Such a great example. Thank you for sharing that.

Unknown Speaker: 32:15

Now ask and it is given is one of the universal laws.And we didn't touch on the ask a really good quality question. We're given a really good quality answer. Most of us simply ask what's wrong with me? We really, truly don't need the answer to that question.It's really useful question.

Ian Hawkins: 32:45

That that could be the best advice that anyone could take from this is ask better questions.Whether it's in a relationship with yourself or with other people.

Can we because because I want to have this from a place that people will understand through a context that people understand. So even, even though you've had a very different conscious awareness than most, you still went about this space of worried about things. And you talked about last time, about like, you know, not being able to fit in and so how did worry show up for you? And what was that experience? Like? Like, was it a? Was it a full body experience all the time? Were you getting like that, that worry? through your body? Was it like constant repeated thought pattern? Was it other stuff? Like how did that play out?

Unknown Speaker: 33:36

Oh, wow. I mean, I live in a space of, I'm not enough, I'm not good enough. I can't fit in, nobody understands me, I lived in a constant state of just not feeling like myself. And my thought patterns would just go around and around and around and around, just like constantly. And I really had no quiet space to just be and my body always just felt on edge. There was always just, like, I was just always a little bit unsettled. Like I never could quite put my finger on it, but there was just always, I never quite felt like myself. So when all the symptoms, you know, when I started on my spiritual journey, and it was just, you know, after my cousin passed away, and you know, I started to find some answers. And I started looking beyond the obvious and started noticing, like, you know, started remembering some things from my childhood that I had suppressed. You know, I started to realize, wait a second, there's more to life than what meets the eye. And I read a book by Kryon called the journey home. And in that book, I got, you know, hey, you're creating your own reality. And I thought, Oh, that is the first thing that I have ever heard. That actually makes total sense to me. Like, I don't know how I'm creating my reality. But I know that that's true. I need to find out how I'm creating my reality. Because if I know how I'm creating my reality, then I can create consciously, I can create on purpose.

Ian Hawkins: 35:57

or Yes,

And for those listening, going, well, you know, you're creating my own reality, does that mean I've invited all these different bad things into my life as like? Well, that's when the moments from our life have created this. Well, you use the word before dis ease or uneasiness within us, the programming all these different elements that have that come into it, you're creating your life, the best you can with all of the different moments of grief and trauma and setbacks and all those things. So that's part of like, to me is the goal is like, how can we continue to remove all of those things that stop us creating at their highest possible level? How do we allow ourselves to step more into that space? So you mentioned before? When you said not enough, like you'll understand this, but I don't like a stabbing sort of feeling in my heart, right. So this is something that will many will relate to, many of the listeners have that feeling of not enough feeling of inadequacy in different areas of their life of well, not wanting to be mediocre. I had a client describe it this week, as I've been quite successful in spite of myself. And it's like, well, what if we can? What if we can actually remove that part? And just unlock more of it? So how, how?How have you allowed yourself to feel? Not just enough, but more than enough? And how would you guide other people listening to be able to do more of that themselves?

Unknown Speaker: 37:38

Well, what I've really realized is that, when we're when the soul is created,we are created by God, Source Creator, whatever word you want to use, we are created in divine perfection.You know, God, Source Creator, thought, hey, let me experience myself as Lisa or en, or, you know, let's go have this experience. Let's see, all the creator is experiencing itself in infinite ways. As a deer as a lamb as an octopus, as a, as a human, you're like, in a infinite number of ways. So source is expressing itself through me through you. And when I was a child, when I would go to bed at night, I would just be source, I would just be part of that unified field. Unconditional love, life itself. Living life force, energy, pure potential.And that is who and what we are.And we, that part gets shut down. As humans, we're told here are the rules. This is what you have to do. This is the way it is, you know, pay your taxes, go to school, earn money, you know, retire at 65 all these rules, and we just go Oh, okay. And we just start living inside the box. Yeah. But yeah, inside the that's the mind, that's the programming that's inside the box.Paying taxes to why are we paying tax says they're using that money to wage war and do like, who? Who says that? Like? Do we actually? Is that a rule that we actually need to live by? Look for gold, gather your colonoscopy, have a mammogram, go look for disease? Do we actually have to do that? Like, are those actually rules that we need to live? Why? Wait? Can? Can we, as divine beings simply live in peace? And harmony? Can we just live by giving to each other and supporting each other? Can we simply create our health? Or do we have to live by all these rules? Do we need to be educated into the ways of society? Or can we simply live by our own inner guidance from source itself is like when we start looking beyond the what is.In that box, we start to move out of the mind and back into the soul. And we start to move out of the limitations of this reality, this society, and we start to move back into the unlimited possibilities of source itself. And we start to realize that what's obvious isn't necessarily what's true. And what's actually true, is that we are unlimited beings. And that well being is our natural state of being. And that when we live as who we actually are,health, just is wealth just comes sacred economy is just us giving to each other, helping each other sacred society is just us living by the Four Agreements, you know, take nothing personally do no harm. You know, if you do harm, make reparation, you know, like, and then all of a sudden, we start transcending the what is, and we start opening that? What can be

Ian Hawkins: 43:13

I've written so many notes from what you just went on there. But the one that really stood out to me was we go looking for disease. It's like, oh, it's so true. Like, we have to get all these checkups, like, what if we learn to live to listen to our body and let our body tell us when somebody needs attention? Instead of going and searching for something and I've got some fairly strong beliefs on this it's like the whole system is like the system will collapse if we're not sick. Like like billion trillion dollar industry so so it's almost in our interest in their interest that we're not well it's like yeah, don't don't go looking for something that's not there. So you know,

Unknown Speaker: 44:05

one of the universal laws is Seek and ye shall find

Ian Hawkins: 44:11

yes there's it's almost like if you go back to the Bible that the messages there have somehow been corrupted that's a whole nother that's a whole whole nother rabbit hole.I'm curious. So I know in my life I've been dragged off path and I've I've done like, you know, you talk about the universal laws and I've done certain things that I'm certainly not proud of that they've got me to where I am now and and so be it. But were there moments in your life where you got dragged off course to the point where like, you are finding yourself behaving and and perhaps doing harm in a way that that then really impacted you later?

Unknown Speaker: 45:01

Absolutely. We all have, I don't think any human has escaped that. Yeah, because anything that's in our energy field, yeah, each and every one of us has an energy field, a personal energy field. And when we're not aware that we have our own personal energy field, we just become part of the universal energy field. And the universal energy field has all energies in it. So from fear and guilt and doubt, and shame to reveal it, bliss and joy and curiosity, you know, all, all energies exist. So when we don't choose our energy field, when we don't create our own personal space, then all of the energies that we do not prefer, shame, blame, fear, doubt, guilt, anxiety, all of those become part of our energy field. And anything that's in our personal energy field gets reflected back it gets out pictured in the reality around us. So anything that's out pictured when something shows up in our reality, and we go, oh, I don't like that. We try to fix the reality we try to fix the out picturing.But if we don't change the energy that's generating the output string, nothing's going to change. You know, we can change one thing in the out picturing, but if you know, if we have fear in our energy field, for example, you know, we have a fear of disease or a fear of death in our energy field. That fear of disease and fear of death is going to keep showing up, we're going to keep seeing people dying of diseases in our energy field, that out picturing is going to happen. We're going like, Oh, my God, you see, people keep dying of these diseases. It's real. That's what's actually going on. And then you're so the out picture, we use the out picturing as the evidence that it's real. But all that's actually happening is the external world is out picturing what we have going on inside, inside our energy field. So if we don't address our own energy field, and start clearing out, the fear, the doubt, the guilt, the shame, the blame you all of the stuff that's been deposited, we've been taught all of these things we've been educated on what is. So we've been taught disease and taxes, and, you know, politics, you know, all of the stuff that we've been taught. And then we just keep out picturing the same stuff over and over and over, going, Hey, this is the way it is. But it's only the way it is because it's in our energy field. And we haven't addressed the root energies when we start clearing out the guilt, and the shame and the judgment, and all of these things when we start clearing all that out. All that we're left with his light, and love, and happiness and peace and health and prosperity and oh my god, you can't live like that. That's not real.

Ian Hawkins: 49:08

Oh, yes, that statement? Oh, yeah. I'm a realist. It's fine. Well,as I got, yeah,

Unknown Speaker: 49:17

I live with a mother. It was like she constantly I constantly heard that all the time. And that kept me in that loop. of looking at what is what's obvious, like, oh, once I finally got rid of that, and started realizing I can create my own reality I can create. My reality is filled with health, with wealth, with amazing people with beautiful clients, with just incredible things that keep showing up. They're like, Oh my gosh, how does it get even better than this?The stuff that I couldn't possibly have imagined myself, simply because I've cleared all of the crap out of my energy field.

Ian Hawkins: 50:14

Good way to be have you got, as one specific example how how that life might have mirrored something back to you that that had you realizing you need to change? I mean, you mentioned the you mentioned the situation with your cousin, but was there was a another example of like, maybe you acted in a certain way, and had you realizing, on reflection that, that maybe there was something there still sitting in your field?

Unknown Speaker: 50:44

Well, you know, when my, when my when my body ended up when I was facing cancer, you know, and that healthy fit athlete body that I grew up with, went from a size eight to a size 16. And, you know, just,I had no more control over my body. And there was pain every day and lumps and bumps, and, you know, all of this stuff going on in my body.It was like,Wait a second, this is not my reality, this is not the reality, that Iam designed to live like this, this isn't supposed to be my reality.And suddenly, it became really clear that Whoa, hang on a second. This is not my stuff.Like, I need to clear out all of these other people's perceptions from my energy field, from my belief systems. Because when I was that little girl going to sleep at night and being part of the unified field, I when I would look and I would see all these people in nursing homes embodies that didn't work. So now they were just in these Deathwatch facilities, just kind of waiting to die. I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that that's not the way it was supposed to be. And that that was not going to be my reality.So when that started to appear to be my reality, you know that I was going through disease and you know, not having full control over my own body. It was like, Whoa, hang on a second. I need to reassess the situation. There's something that I'm not seeing here, I be able to see beyond what's obvious.

Ian Hawkins: 53:07

So now with this strong awareness, what what what's an experience like now when something shows up in your body? Like because we want to make it clear that if you've done this work, it doesn't mean you're immune from it, right? It's not like it's not like I'm completely healed. Yeah. So what sort of nudges do you get now? And how do you navigate that?

Unknown Speaker: 53:27

Oh, so now when, when anything shows up in my body? It's like, Oh, awesome. Thank you. Now I'm healing. You know, now I kind of go okay, what have I just healed? Like, what have I just gone through? What have I just resolved, that my body is now releasing, because anything that our bodies do is really biologically meaningful. And the majority of the symptoms that show up in our bodies is the result of us coming to terms with something us resolving an inner conflict, and then the body resolves the conflict, and it shows up as a symptom in our body.

Ian Hawkins: 54:16

So instead of a cold being a cold, as you might have read this on your page the other day to die. Now the cold is cleansing, an old trauma from your body to allow space for you. Right, exactly. Excellent. I love that. Well, that's complete. Let's put a completely new spin on a couple of things I've got going on at the moment. So thank you.

It's like Thank you. Okay, cool. You've already done. You've learned the lesson. Now. It's about changing the habit. If you stay stuck in the habit, then you'll just compete can keep repeating the cycle, which is something you mentioned in the first chat we had. Oh, that's cool.

Unknown Speaker: 54:56

Well, we started to understand every every part ofThe body sends a different message. Yeah, so shoulders are about relationships. Lungs are about death, you know, death in life. The digestive system is about indigestible morsels, bones and joints are about self devaluation thoughts, you know, when we start to understand the language of the body, you know, there's, you know, like, in Native American, you know, like, there's animal totems, like every animal has a different message. While every part of the body has a different message, it's the exact same thing, except the body is doing the body's messages, you know, the animals are doing the animal messages, the plants are doing the plant messages. So when we start to understand the different messages that the body sends, we can simply see what's going on in the body, and then go, oh, hang on a second, let me see what what's the correlation? What are the corollary thought patterns that go with this? So you know, if we have nasal things and bronchial things? Oh, you know, did I just resolve a stinky conflict, so you know, a stinky situation, you know, literally a stinky situation, they just, you know, spread manure over the field, and like, ooh, really stinks. When I go outside, like, I don't want to take a breath. Or, you know, the situation really stinks, you know, metaphorically, it's the same same thing. But in the body will will increase will decrease the number of cells in the nasal passages, so and the bra or the bronchial passages, so the every, if there is a stink conflict, the body will literally widen those passages by taking away cells, so that every breath brings in more air so that you can actually breathe less, so that you don't have to inhale the stink as much. So the body is literally helping you resolve this conflict. So when the stinky situation goes away, now, the body that has widened those passages, so that you can get more air so that you don't have to breathe in the sting so much. Now, the body has to build back up those passages, because it has already taken away a bunch of cells now that has to rebuild those cells. Now you have like mucus, because that's how the body starts building back those cells.

Ian Hawkins: 58:01

So good. And it's funny that you chose the nose because I broke my nose when I was, must have been 13 the first time. And then I kept breaking my nose. I kept whatever whatever the message was, it wasn't receiving. Yeah, okay, sticky situations all through my life. And then, and then to the point where I was ready to actually get the healing done. And, and, I mean, I don't know what your thoughts are on this, whether whether my body could have repaired itself, but it it got to the point where it's completely blocked. And so I had, I had surgery to have that removed, then it's like, suddenly I can breathe again. And suddenly, at a similar time where I was going through this growth, which is interesting.

Yeah. So So what about something like that? Something that like when you get told so. So basically, he said, My nose is broken, re broken, re broken. Sounds like a like a chalky, bony thing that that covers that. Can the body actually thenrelease that?

Unknown Speaker: 59:06

Oh, absolutely. Of course.

Unknown Speaker: 59:08

Wow.

Unknown Speaker: 59:09

Yeah. So I mean, like they're, they're physical things that you can do. The most important thing is to realize that the body knows exactly what to do. You know what we believe that there's nothing we can do about this or this is broken. And you know, it's it's always going to be that way, then it's always going to be that way, you know, the body is following our consciousness. So the first thing is to always understand the body knows exactly what to do. The body is intelligent, and the body can rebuild itself better than it was before. Every time it rebuilds itself. It rebuilds itself to a higher level. If we break our arm, when the body heals, it's going to heal with thicker bone than

Unknown Speaker: 1:00:00

And it was before so that the bone is now a little bit thicker. So if you whack that arm again, it's not going to have as much chance of breaking as it did the first time. So it always heals at a higher level. But when we don't understand that when we don't trust the body to heal itself and repair itself, then it can't. So first thing is to trust the body. And the second thing is that there are many physical things that we can do. And you know, one of the greatest therapies that I found is Block Therapy, like literally using a block to like a block of wood. To start melting the fascia, you can use a small block, and you can even use your fingers to start melting the fascia around any area of your body. And you literally start moving and reshaping your body by melting the fascia,

Ian Hawkins: 1:01:00

just gently, gently pressing with with an object. Yeah, well,

Unknown Speaker: 1:01:05

actually, there's literally a woman in Winnipeg, Canada has created a whole program called Block Therapy. And she she goes into the whole thing. And she has created two different size wooden blocks. And full, they're full protocols of how to literally melt the fascia, and let all the cells come back into alignment.

Ian Hawkins: 1:01:33

Fascinating.

yep, I broke my left ankle in: 2011

Unknown Speaker: 1:02:17

Yep.

Unknown Speaker: 1:02:20

Yep.

Ian Hawkins: 1:02:20

Interesting. Yeah, I had a similar experience and my right ankle and, and at a time where they used to take the metal back out again. So they didn't think about and, yeah, yeah, so interesting. So because that ankle, obviously, I've been able to go and do a whole lot different things. But it's the same thing. It's like,what's still stuck in there, because it's still not allowing itself to be fully mobile. Ah, because it's I've bought into the belief that that will always be like that, even though I tell people this all the time,

Unknown Speaker: 1:02:52

Fast Track therapy, really, really helpful for you in that case? Seriously.

Ian Hawkins: 1:03:01

That's cool.

This is an area I'm fascinated with. You talked about being an elite figure skater. Were there times where you just went into the zone, where it just happened effortlessly? Where that just happen automatically? So that's first question. And the second question is, were you then able to with the awareness that you had, then be able to replicate that? That ability to get into the zone more regularly?

Unknown Speaker: 1:03:36

Oh, yeah, there were many times when I would just when I would just be in the zone. When I was skating, it was it was the only time where I felt that I could just be myself. Like, with nobody else judging me. You know, I never I never competed because I just didn't want to be judged or compared to or any of that. But I competed with myself and went through all the levels of the United States figure skating Association, metal things. So I was a gold medalist and figures and freestyle and went as high as you could go in there in the ranks. And you know, and then I you know, I met many high level skaters, you know, I skated with Dorothy Hamill and you know, many other many other high level skaters, and it was really, it was fun, and I would be able to get in the zone. As many times when I would get in the zone. I would. I would think about these other skaters, Dorothy Hamill, and Kurt Browning were really my favorite skaters for many reasons. And often I would go out on you know, if I was just screwing around and playing, playing on my skates by myself out on the ice Ace, I would just, I would get in their head, you know, and I would just pretend that I was them. You know, like Kurt Browning just had incredible footwork, like he was a master of the blade, the front the back besides the you know, and just to be able to move his body and move his feet and the blades. And I remember, you know, one day I went out and I was on hockey skates one day, just playing around on a public session. And I was just like, like, just really getting in the zone with Kurt Browning, and doing all the work and everything. And I got off the ice, and one of the hockey player dads was like, wow, I have never seen somebody with footwork better than that, you know, like, watching me do that. And, you know, it's like, I could just really get in the zone of being these really top athletes and rep be able to replicate that. And I would go out one of the days I would I was out skating and I figure skates and I was just really channeling my inner Dorothy Hamill, I was really thinking about her, you know, doing some stuff. And so, you know, when I got off the ice, somebody said, Oh, my God, you look exactly like Dorothy Hamill. Good.

Ian Hawkins: 1:06:32

That's an example of something that we come in with the ability to do. So if I lived through a specific example of my son could mimic any movement. And then of course, as the programming came in, and his parents saying and doing different things and reacting to different things, and he slowly had that ability eroded not completely but but to a lot of a lot of degrees. And I love that you brought that up, because I'm actually I'm coaching young athlete at the moment and teaching him exactly that modeling. And I'm glad you brought light to that, because it's like, we can tune into the energy of people in any area. Tune into their energy and and that's a word imagination. I don't know if it was in the, if you've mentioned it a lot today, or whether I'm thinking back to because I listen really listen to to the previous chat this morning. But that tapping into that imaginative childlike part of us just unlock so much of that whether it's being in the zone on ice skates or, or anything else that you want to create. It's such an exciting and joyful and playful place to play. Yeah. I've got for the for the back into this conversation. I've had this some wave of tiredness, Lisa, so there's doing the work that you do. Is it tiring? And if so how do you then make sure that you are renewing your energy?

Unknown Speaker: 1:08:12

Well, actually, it's really, really invigorating. And the tiredness actually happens in our healing. When our bodies go into healing, we get tired. So there are two parts to the healing phase. And the first part is the uncomfortable phase. And the second part is the tired phase. So a lot of times we can move right through that first part of the healing phase, and right into the second part because we've kind of been in the healing as we're waking up as we're starting to become more aware. We go through that first part of the healing phase. And then suddenly, we when we hit a new level of awareness, it was like, ah, we go into the second part of that healing phase. And the body is like, here, we're home.Finish the healing.

Ian Hawkins: 1:09:18

Oh, and instead we go Oh, I must have something wrong with me. I must have a disease I must have. I must be depressed. I must have. Wow. Oh, give me another cup of coffee. I gotta keep going.

Unknown Speaker: 1:09:36

Oh, stop. Listen to your body. If your body is tired, it's your body sending you the message that it needs for you to sleep for a little while so that it can complete the healing process.

Ian Hawkins: 1:09:55

Oh, so good.Icould literally keep having this conversation all day you might have to invoice me though. I do want you to share what it is like specifically that you're doing. So if someone's sitting there going, Okay, well at least has talked all this stuff about body and that sort of stuff, but specifically what it is you do where people can find you so that they can investigate and be curious about this work that you do.

Unknown Speaker: 1:10:35

Thanks. Yeah, I, you know, I really, I help people tap into their own inner wisdom, so that they can start trusting themselves, that they can start trusting their own bodies. So I do this mostly, through my class, my course that's called aligning with your radiantly healthy self. It's a 12 week course, that people go through, and they simply start connecting to their own inner wisdom. And, you know, I just opened some doors of awareness, and let everybody start walking through to their own inner awareness so they can really know what they know. So that's, that's the main that's kind of the main portal. I also do coaching packages with with people private coaching packages, I have a mastermind called Soul sourced, Soul embodiment mastermind, bringing the soul into the body. And that's kind of after the aligning with your radiantly healthy self. My website is called connecting you to you. So it's really all about connecting you to your own inner wisdom, connecting the two parts of you, you know, the lower self to the higher self, and bring everything into oneness. So we can just start sourcing our information from source itself, from our own inner selves. So that's kind of, that's kind of the gist of it, you can find me on Facebook at sole source healing, where I share a bunch of information. You know, I have a YouTube channel, and, you know, podcasts, but kind of those are, those are the things I'm doing right now, in 2023, I will be offering a membership community where there are going to be a couple of two or three or three of us, at least right now that are going to be joining forces and talking about nutrition and health and spirituality, and, you know, and our connection to nature, you know, connecting to our true nature. So, as we start to connect back into nature, we start to bring all parts of ourselves back into wholeness. So that will also be coming up in 2023. So I'm really excited about that.

Ian Hawkins: 1:13:16

Love the sound of that. I'll make sure that we get all of your links in the notes so people can find you. And if they're curious about that membership, they can, they can track you down on your page as well. Lisa, thank you so much for coming back and sharing more of your story more of your wisdom. And I very much appreciate everything that you've shared today and having this chat with you. Thank you.

Unknown Speaker: 1:13:43

Thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure. I love having our conversations in. Yeah, me too. Thanks, Lisa.

Ian Hawkins: 1:13:54

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