Ep 504 - The Magic Of Hypnotherapy with John Mcluckie

Ian Hawkins 0:02

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Unknown Speaker 2:26

I'm good. Thank you. Thanks for having me.

Ian Hawkins 2:28

You're welcome. We got there eventually, we've got a few technical issues over a couple of different types of this. But we seem to have a clear signal now, which is good. You started off the conversation, and we were talking about you had that fascination with the mind and, and watching the top sports teams. I mean, back to my childhood, and I was very similar. I used to watch football through a sort of unique lens. And I was looking at how the teammates were getting along, and particularly in their rep teams where they were maybe from opposing teams and just seeing how they all interacted and that sort of thing as well. Is that how you viewed it, or you've been viewing it from a purely performance perspective.

Speaker 2 3:13

At that stage, I was I was on a kid I was just a conversation that I had with my old man. And on. Yeah, so it was it was just an interesting conversation. And I really took it on board. Yeah. And then there was a, there was a really famous guy on TV called Darren brown way back in the 80s and stuff and he was a mentalist. And he just fascinated me so he just, he just got me hooked. I just, he was one of my idols. He's, he's incredible. Yeah. Well, that's cool. Yeah. So so the sports side of things was was just amazing. Yeah, yeah.

Ian Hawkins 3:55

We had a show here. It was gonna I went by different names around the world, but great mysteries of the world. It was called in Australia was basically looking at the supernatural and the, and the, the unknown and, and same sort of that same sort of fascination that sounds similar, but for a bit of a different tact of that stuff. Yeah. So. So as a kid, what was the fascination? Like you wanted to know more about how the brain worked or untapped potential? Or did you remember much about what the fascination was?

Speaker 2 4:27

I just wanted to know how everything worked. Because I was writing to the body as well, like I loved human biology. Now, I still do. It's still it's still fascinating. Yeah. And just the just the mind and the body connection. Yeah. And then when I was growing up, they started this when NLP first started going on and the mind connection and how the brain works in the mind works and all that sort of stuff. So it was a real, it was a really good time. If you are interested in learning or all that sort of So it was it was right at the when I was a teenager it was right when top sports teams were starting to visualize things and and going through that kind of process. Yeah, yep. Yeah, it was really interesting.

Ian Hawkins 5:17

Yeah. So be good time and let everyone know exactly what it is you do. So just give everyone a bit of a understanding. Are you doing Agile?

Speaker 2 5:26

Okay, so I'm I'm a professional Hypnotherapist. So I'm professional hypnotist. So I help I help people with all sorts of things. All sorts of things. Yeah. Yep. And it's a really fun and interesting career.

Ian Hawkins 5:42

You I bet for the uninitiated, who might have seen hypnosis like on stage hypnosis, getting people to click Like a chicken or whatever, like, tell us a little bit about what it actually is, particularly from a clinical perspective. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 6:01

The hypnotherapy or the stage stuff?

Ian Hawkins 6:05

Oh, yeah, I need on stage stuff as well as in

Speaker 2 6:07

two different forms. Yeah. Yes, I've learned and done dabbled a little bit. It's good fun. Yeah, oh. I'll let the secret's out. Basically, with the stage stuff, they're not actually asleep at all. They're fully conscious and aware. Yeah, but what we do is we just trigger the word sleep, and we click our fingers to sleep. But their body is just so relaxed, like it is, honestly, it's the best feeling and you'll never feel a better feeling than being really deeply under because what we're doing is we're, we're basically turning the central nervous system off. So we, so we're getting the body to go and the same as delta when you're asleep. Whereas that that's why they call it a slump. And they go over like that, because it feels so good. But they're fully conscious and aware, like they can hear everything. Yeah. Well, the worst case scenario for us is if somebody does go to sleep, if you watch the stage performance, every now and then there'll be somebody that does go to sleep, and clean, we'll just keep tapping on the shoulder and we're just, you're okay to just just stay there. You're okay. Because they're no good to us. But we can't have them waking up and going, oh, oh, can because I'll just fight. They'll just frighten themselves. Yeah. So we just got to kind of just happen yet. But what we do is because because we want the illusion because it's an illusion. Everything that we do is real. Like them. They're not acting or anything like that. But the illusion is that because the brain it's its two biggest sensors, there's sight and here. So when we, when they hear the word sleep, and we click our fingers, and they see a reaction, the people up in the crowd, and the people watching it think that they're asleep, but they're not. So that's the best the first fallacy there's no hypnosis where they're asleep at all. There might be they might forget a little bit after the show, because it because it couldn't be like a dream. Or it could be like, you know, when somebody because a net, we want them to lose all their inhibitions. So it's kind of like the same as a person might be a very shy, introverted person, but get a couple of bottles of wine and then with their girlfriends and stuff. They can be thinking that they would use them, like for two hours, and they haven't a time of their life. Yeah. They might not remember what happened the next morning, but that was still fully conscious and aware. And they were they were just allowing it, that's all. So they're part of their brain that was protecting them all the time. Just sort of just went on the backburner. Yeah, so that's the stage kind of stuff. Yeah, the hypnotherapy, you don't actually go as deep as that. Because we're working on a different brainwave length. But there's no stage, there's no person on stage there can do the stage that'll get somebody to stop smoking. They can get them to stop smoking, or they're on stage. But as soon as they're off stage, everything just resets back to how it was, right? where's the where's the hypnotherapy is the longer term. So what the hypnotherapy will do, we deal with the emotional side of things. So that's why a lot of people come and see us because medications not working or, you know, they're going to the doctors over and over and over and over and over again. But if it's anxiety, anxieties, fear, you've got you've got to work on fear. Yeah, if it's if it's depression with Ms. Grief, that's that's deep grief. You've got to work on the fear because it's getting stuck in the body there. So Oh, no therapy works on that. Yeah. Which is amazing. Yeah, it's such a, it's such a cool job, like you get somebody to come in. They've been smoking for 40 years and, and 40 minutes, then the switch just turns off, and they don't even feel like it anymore. It's.

Ian Hawkins: 10:16

So I've I have heard that a lot of the smoking is related to anxiety, and it's like a coping mechanism. Is it like, more more to it than it can?

: 10:24

It can be usually with smoking, it just forms into a habit. And right, you know, they just don't even, they're not even conscious that they're smoking, they just find that they've got a smoke in the mouth, because we are habits. That's what we are. We're creatures of habits. And if that's been stuck in there for 10 or 20 years, yeah, so what we've got to do is we've got to get that connection in the brain that's formed that habit and break that connection. Go and then make a new then make a new connection.

Ian Hawkins: 10:57

Love it. I actually saw a video the other day of the brain and new neural pathways being created and and like what level of synapse is joining, or whatever it's like, it's, and that's the sort of stuff you're doing, I imagine. Yeah.

: 11:13

That's what we're doing. Yeah. And the way that we do it is through suggestion and through our imagination.

Ian Hawkins: 11:20

Yeah, that the diversity of mind and the, and the potential that that we have when we can make changes like that. It's mind blowing.

: 11:30

Oh, it's amazing. Your mind can either be your best friend or your worst enemy.

Ian Hawkins: 11:35

Now, tell me how you got into this line of work you said, because you ended up in Australia because of a fairly major life defining moment for you. So tell us a little bit about what happened there. You see grew up in New Zealand.

: 11:52

Yep, born and raised in New Zealand for the first 30 years, had two sons moves out to Australia went through a marriage breakup, which is probably the healthiest breakup that anybody could ever have seen. That was great. My two boys moved over here with me. That's because I'm a new partner. And it was just so great. It was such a, it was such a good experience to break up. And it's

Ian Hawkins: 12:25

just getting a call.

: 12:29

Here's my kids. Okay, is their friend. Yeah, so it was because a lot of breakups are really bad and terrible, and all the rest. But it was probably about as as good as it can get. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm very grateful for it. Very grateful. Otherwise want to be here.

Ian Hawkins: 12:54

Yeah, so good breakout, but I'm unconscious, that you'll get to know the answers to a lot of these things because of the work that you've done and how you've able to process it for other people. And I imagine you've done a fair bit of processing of your own stuff. But can you think back to that time, even though it was a good breakup? Was there still elements that showed up? Like, guilt, like what ifs, like all those sorts of things?

Unknown Speaker: 13:21

I've done lots of work on myself,

Ian Hawkins: 13:23

ya

: 13:30

know, the only girl that I had was for my two boys. But as soon as I talked to them, like, the guilt just evaporated. That's because I was communicating to them all the time and what was going on and why it happened and all of that. And they were okay. Kids are pretty resilient, as long as you talk to them. Yeah. And just let them express everything that they're going through. So it was pretty, it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. But apart from that, I kind of I saw it as a new starting point in my life, not not an ending point, a new starting point. So I kind of spent a lot of time for myself and just search myself. I've done so much healing and so much work on myself, like, loads and loads and loads. Even though I haven't had that much trauma

Ian Hawkins: 14:26

yet. Yeah, that's when when I actually invited you and you said, I don't really feel like I've experienced grief. And I'm not really sure what I would talk about, I

: 14:36

think, process that pretty well. Yeah. But you

Ian Hawkins: 14:39

would also know Right? Is that it? It's not always the big, dramatic event that people think it is that that creates the pattern that can be it can be just like small insignificant moments for the older people in that particular situation. But it might be just a sentence or or they witness something that That creates a pattern that is not helpful when we get to adult years. Yeah, totally

: 15:06

is, especially if it sticks. It sticks into the mind that it can create all all sorts of problems. Yeah, later on, and people don't even realize this we have Gnosis is good, because we can we can regress back to where the conscious mind can't actually remember things here, but it could just be one, it could just be one sentence, you're right, you know, you could, as a kid, you couldn't have a loved one that you really respect. And then like, it could be an auntie or something. And then you over here, and she calls you fat, or something like that. And they will stick into that, that that might stick into their child's memory bank, but that will affect the rest of their life. And it'll grow with them. Yeah, so it's, it's amazing what happens. So you're 100% Right. Yeah,

Ian Hawkins: 15:56

really is. So you said that the move to Australia and the breakup was was a pivotal moment, because it actually took you into the training to for the work that you're doing now. So how did you go from? Like, did you move to Australia with work? Or how did you fall into that, that the line of work that you do now,

: 16:18

because I was always interested in the mind? I I started learning when I came over to Australia, I started learning NLP to begin with, which I love, I absolutely love NLP. It's, it's amazing. But, but I had a feeling that there was more than NLP, you could go deeper. So then, but it was really good for healing myself, obviously amazing. And, and I think it's the best maintenance that anybody can do. It's, it's just the best. Absolutely. Yeah. But I wanted to I wanted to go, I wanted to go deeper, because I wanted results quicker. So that's when I thought I was thinking, what would I really like to do what I really enjoy doing. And then the universe just put it all together. And then there was a clinical hypnotherapy course, and I looked for them all over their Australia. And this was the most thorough one that I could do. It was the only one where they they said, they're going to make us do a full session in front of the whole class. So they're going to actually hold us accountable. And I was like, yes, that's exactly what I want. Yeah, put the pressure on me to actually do it and perform, because a lot of people do so many courses. But then when it comes to the doing, they they shun. And yet, they don't have any confidence. So first course actually made people get up on stage in front of everybody in a nice, safe environment, and just practice and just practice and practice and just practice. Yeah, so that's how I got my clinical therapy. And then as part of that, they did past life regression, which is, which is super fun. Yeah, and then from that, I've done so much training. And then there's a lady Dolores Cannon, and I've done the Q HHT. Training, which I'm really lucky to do that. So I do the clinical Gnosis and I do the spiritual hypnosis, which are two completely different forms of hypnosis. And then the stage hypnosis is completely different as well. So so it just depends on on on what people want.

Ian Hawkins: 18:42

Yeah. Or certainly questions. Can us share the difference between the the clinical and the spiritual hypnosis?

: 18:53

Okay, cool. So the clinical side of things works on one specific thing. So if somebody comes in for anxiety, well, then I want to work on anxiety, depression, stop smoking, you know, habits, relationship problems, but I can't do that, and 40 and 40 minutes or an hour like, yeah, it's just unrealistic. Yep. Whereas in the spiritual ones, they take longer. So I can work on that, because I'll give somebody a whole day to work on everything in their life or not. So so the clinical is more specific. It's very quick. It's working on the it's working on if there's any trauma, it's basically finding where the trauma is because the trauma gets stuck in the body somewhere. Yep. And then it's finding where the trauma comes from. And then releasing the trauma and closing the hole up. So an instance of that would be if somebody's scared of flying And then not 99% of time, they're not actually scared of flying, that there could be many reasons, but a lot of people control freaks. Because if they think that it's going to go down within them, they're going to be out of control. And, you know, they just have an anxiety attack like that. Yep. So then what we do is we find out why they're scared of flying, or a lot of people are claustrophobic that don't have a panic attack, because they feel so tight because they're in a plan. So then what we do is in hypnosis, we'll actually go will actually go back to when they felt that feeling. And a lot of times, they might be stuck in an elevator, or their brother might be sitting on their chest just playing innocently or something like that. Yeah, yeah. So then we've got to release that break that connection in there. And then they can fly again. So the last one I did, there was a control freak, he actually went back onto me as a kid, and he was on a roller coaster. And he he was only like seven or eight years old. And he just freaked out and felt out of control. Yeah. So ever since then, like even driving, he will not let anybody else drive. He's got to drive because he's got to be in control. Because when he's in control, he feels safe. But in an aeroplane, he's not allowed to fly the airplanes. So he, so he freaks out that, because he doesn't trust anybody, you know? Yeah. Control. So that's the best the clinical side of things. Yeah. So on the clinical side of things, somebody's working on grief or depression, but then we just find it, where it's stored in the body, because it takes a lot of energy to hold that. And, and we just release, we release that energy. Yeah. Whereas in a spiritual setting, they might say, so if it's a son, or son or daughter, that's, that's die that's passed over. In a spiritual setting. They might go into Gnosis spontaneously, but they might see their son or their daughter. Yep. So so then I, I just hold space for them. So then that they can go and have a really good conversation with them and, and express how much they miss them and love them. And all that sort of stuff. So as getting released that way. But there can be oh my god, that can be one of the most healing things you can ever do. And your whole life is there. And just making sure that they're okay. Yeah. Because depending on what people believe in if they're spiritual or not spiritual. But you know, that they might see their son, and then I'll be asking you some questions like, what do you do there? You know, what do you go? What's happening now? Are you okay? You have? Yeah, so it can bring can bring a hell of a lot of relief to, to people? Yeah. Yeah. Social just a bit different.

Ian Hawkins: 23:03

It's just Yeah. Yeah. Like I said to before I go, just like wherever the sort of nudges told me, that that sort of showed up in the liver, right. So so what would be when you talked about the spiritual side, and you said, it depends on people's beliefs, have you had people challenge you before? On the on the spiritual hypnosis around what or, or spiritual beliefs in general?

Unknown Speaker: 23:33

Now, there's, there's no point in challenge me there's like, why would they challenge me? Like?

Ian Hawkins: 23:42

Okay, well, let me put it another way. Have you had people that have been skeptical and maybe lack some belief in? In some of the processes that you've taken?

: 23:52

I don't really, I don't really attract them. Okay. Like, what about back

Ian Hawkins: 23:56

in the old days, like early days, right, when you're first learning the craft?

: 24:01

Not not really know, that they don't seem to bug me they seem to? Because I'm so honest. Yeah. Because I'm not I'm not trying to change somebody's belief systems. Um, I'm going with the client. So if the client doesn't believe it, well, then I wouldn't do a spiritual session on them. I just did to a clinical one. Yeah. So and, and I'm the first one to admit that, like, I've got no answers at all. Like, I don't know how it works. I don't I don't know how the universe works or anything like that. But that's where people come in. For some sessions to find out that stuff. I just facilitate them so they can find their own answers. Yeah, yeah, I'm just a dodo. I just I'm just a doll. I'm so simple. Like I'm a caveman. Like,

Ian Hawkins: 24:54

yeah, and as you would do, as you were talking, I wonder if it was actually Lee, I was tuning into the sort of energy that you would be faced with if people are looking for bigger answers. And you're and you're just letting them find it themselves, I imagine that could create some frustration with investors.

: 25:14

That's what the cue HHT sessions are for. So there's a different form of hypnosis. So that goes for about four or five hours. And they're under for a couple of hours. But what we do is we really get into the intuition side of things. So people will come in with a big list of questions by and they can be any questions from, from real basic questions to universal questions. Yeah. But then what then what we do is they, they get so deep, that we actually sort of get right into their subconscious or, or their intuition. And then I just ask their, their intuition, the questions, but they're answering their own questions. So the conscious mind is there, but it's kind of in the back seat. So people, people get their own answers to life. Yes, that's a different form of hypnosis. Yes. Yeah.

Ian Hawkins: 26:09

So so that old adage that you've got everything you need insight is true, right. It's just about having processes to actually tap into existing internal wisdom.

: 26:20

Yeah, yeah. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody knows instinctively what's right, and what's wrong and, and things like that. And why they and why they're hanging on to things. And

Ian Hawkins: 26:33

what I love is how much the screen behind you lit up when you were doing that last little bit. It's like a halo.

: 26:43

It's honestly strange things happen all the time.

Ian Hawkins: 26:47

I believe it after trying to get you on a call. And the line kept dropping out and the delay and we couldn't get a picture. Yeah, I bet it does.

Unknown Speaker: 26:58

Funny things happen all the time. Especially my office

Ian Hawkins: 27:01

a bit. Our goal is really cool. Tell us a good tell us a good wage sheet that's happened in the office.

: 27:08

The weirdest thing is I had a client and they were channeling ETS from the Pleiades. And they'll fall on channeling for about a good hour and a quarter. Yeah. And

Unknown Speaker: 27:27

she didn't remember much. She was still conscious. But it had a lot to do with with her life and

: 27:33

her soul journey and stuff like that. And then. And then when she got out of the chair, and she left, I looked at the chair, and it was this perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect alien face and the chair. Like it was perfect. Grace. Yeah, I did. I took a photo of it and saw my Facebook feed and stuff like that. I was just like, whoa. I just couldn't believe it. I just thought man. Yeah, yeah, totally. 100

Ian Hawkins: 28:06

That's better than any crop circle.

: 28:09

Oh, it was way better than a crop circle. I just I just love it. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. And another thing. Just lady, she started chanting as well. And because we record the sessions, if they wanted recorded, and as soon as she started recording, oh my god, her recorded just went cool raise. Like, just pray that you couldn't hear anything. Like it was just added. Like the energy that came through was just right. Yeah. Yeah, until until the very second that she stopped channeling it. And then it went back on online again, just normal.

Ian Hawkins: 28:51

I get the same thing when I'm talking to people with big energy, which is wasn't surprising when I spoke to you that it was same thing was happening is like, the screen freezes. The kind of get a connection like all sorts. Yeah, that sort of static sort of thing. And then and then as the healing happens, it's like, then everything on the screen comes down as well. It's incredible. Impact. Yeah, because we're, I mean, you probably have a better way to explain this than me, but we are effectively a living breathing electromagnetic field, right?

Unknown Speaker: 29:25

Yeah. Yep. That's part of it.

Ian Hawkins: 29:28

Yeah. So how do you how do you make sense of that to the people listening have like what that means to them in everyday life?

Unknown Speaker: 29:35

Why don't know how it means to them.

Ian Hawkins: 29:39

Like, how do you how do you give it some some logical, layman's terms so that they may have an understanding of, of, of the deeper level of how they're, they're being

Unknown Speaker: 29:52

within the body or or outside

Ian Hawkins: 29:53

of the body? Whatever comes to mind. Okay,

: 29:57

so So with energy This test basically what it is. So if somebody is, and the way that I put this is if somebody's, if somebody doesn't resonate with you, you can go and you can go into an office environment or something, and there could be one person there, and you just and you just get the chills or something. And just like, I don't know what it is about this dude. Like, I don't know what it is. Yeah. But then there's other times we, where you just click with someone and you just like, ah, but that's because there's something going on inside you that saying stay away from this dude. Like, just like his bad news. Just wait. Yeah. Where's the other one is like, Oh, he's so nice. And so did this obably. And another way that I put it is because we hold our emotions within us. It expresses on the outside. So you can tell if somebody's a grumpy old busted, like, just grumpy. It doesn't matter what you say, doesn't matter what you do, as because they're, they've got so much anger inside them, that has turned into resentment. And now it's turning into bitterness. And that bitterness is going to show on their face. Like their personal foot the world does. So it doesn't matter. What happens. Yeah, so that's, that's the energy because because the emotion of anger and everything is just the energy in there. Yeah, but it's turned into a physical symptom.

Ian Hawkins: 31:29

And then, that makes me think of one of the things you learn in NLP right is how much of rapport is an unconscious connection? And that's kind of what you're describing there. Right? Like, it's, it's the energy you bring to that connection before you even open your mouth before they even see your body language.

Unknown Speaker: 31:47

Yeah, yeah. It's interesting.

Ian Hawkins: 31:52

You're utterly now, you've done a heap of this training? You've would you said you're only one of only three people, though? What was it one of

: 32:06

my one of only three mouths? So in the queue HHT. Stuff. A lady called Dolores Cannon, created it. At the top level, the top top top level? Out of the 150, odd 1000 practitioners, I think there's about 35 of us around the world that have done it done. The elite ones. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's only three males. So unless, yeah, I'm just gonna charge the battery because my battery's gone flat.

Ian Hawkins: 32:39

You can you keep doing that. While I'll wait. While I ask a question. You're going to be able to charge while you're the headphones in?

Unknown Speaker: 32:49

Yeah. Hopefully, it charges. I won't know. It's either gonna charge or it's just going to go.

Ian Hawkins: 33:00

We'll get through whatever we need to get through, I'm sure. Now, now, John, you strike me as a really humble guy, as someone that's pretty unassuming and you just kind of just do what you do. But everything you've described to me is like, it's mind blowing work. It's powerful work. And you would know that from the impact you're having on people's lives and the feedback they give you. You mentioned, that fascination and that sporting background. Have you done any work in the in the professional sports space?

: 33:32

Yeah, so that was, that was actually one of the highlights of my whole clinical career. I worked with a lady and she broke a world record and won the world championship. Yes. So And I'll never forget that she went over to Manchester. And I was always just so happy to be part of her team. She takes me as soon as she won, and broke the record. And we did it. We did it all. So I was just so proud of ours. Yeah, I was I just shed a tear for it. Because because I know how much work they put into it. And and my job was just to just to work a little bit on the mindset and, and, you know, with family and all that sort of stuff and just getting the little it's the little one percenters that make all the big huge difference? Yeah. Yeah. So I was just so so happy for ya. And then on the flip side of that, I worked with a lot of sports people that were professional sports people and they really got injured or they've lost their contract because man they goes, they go spiraling real fast. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, they've gone to a somebody to a nobody, like their managers don't want to have anything to do with them. Now the AFL or NRL just just ditch them because they did nothing anymore. Yeah. So so they spiral really fast. I've had quite a few of them. You're on these big contracts, and all sudden there are no contracts are no money.

Ian Hawkins: 35:03

Yeah. And it's like a lot of other systems, right? There's to chew up and spit them out.

Unknown Speaker: 35:09

Yeah.

Ian Hawkins: 35:11

Yeah. So you told me that when you were young, that you were like you're looking at sports people, you're fascinated by the mind. That moment with the with the athlete winning the gold medal or breaking the world record, sorry, whatever it was, that that must have been a real surreal moment of like, wow, like, that actually just happened. Can you remember? Like having any of those thoughts? Or you had thoughts about her, obviously, but having any of those sort of thoughts on reflection about that, how, what a pivotal moment that was for your life as well.

: 35:52

I was just so stoked for her. But yeah, like those athletes, that top elite athletes, they're crazy. They're just crazy. Like they, they just live and breathe it and it's so dedicated, spend 24 hours a day, right down to weighing grams of food, and their their water intake, their training. Everything is so calculated. Yeah. So I just saw I was just so happy for and because she was a cyclist as well. So it was only it was only as short as only a short event. Yeah. So breaking the world record. You're talking like one hundreds of a second count. And yeah. And bet on the sport. Yeah. Yeah. So they just have to be switched on. Right from go. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. I was just so happy for her.

Ian Hawkins: 36:49

Yeah. And again, I'll come back to that. What I said before, ask that question was just how humble and unassuming that you are. Surely at some point, in those quieter moments, when you have time to reflect you must be also pretty proud of just how much you've grown and the skills that you've developed and the the ability that you have.

: 37:13

Yeah, yeah. It's, I think it's important to to reflect every now and then. Yeah. And, and just remember, like, a lot of people don't reflect, they're always looking, they're always looking forward to the next project, or the next goal or whatever. But I think every now and then you've got it's really healthy to reflect and see the person that you were and how far you've actually come?

Ian Hawkins: 37:37

Absolutely. Absolutely. Can you share a little bit about past life regression, because more often than not, on these call when I'm working, when I'm having a conversation with one of these interviews on someone who's lost someone, they all have had an experience where they've where they've had a moment of confirmation that their loved one is there with them? And I know that's a stretch for some people to hear. But I'd be fascinated to hear the work that you do in that space. And the Yeah, and the impact that's had for people.

: 38:13

Yeah. There's so there's so much fun. Yeah. They're just fun. And they're so curious. And it's good when they go back to a past life, even if they feel like it's fantasy, or imagination or whatever, it doesn't matter. Because it's the story that evokes the emotions. And it's up to the client, whether they decide what I saw, or what happened is real or not real. But even I'll tell you my story with one, because we have to practice. So. Like, I had a past life regression done on myself. And I'll never forget my oldest daughter, when she was born after about two or three weeks. And I remember, I remember holding her and looking in her eyes, and she was petrified, absolutely petrified. But that was the feeling that I got. And I thought, because my grandmother just died. And we've got similar eye shapes. And I was like, oh my god, I wonder if this my grandmother like, just a fleeting thought I was like, I wonder if that's my grandmother. Wow. But but then years after I learned the past life regression, but I went back to being in World War One. And yeah, which is, yeah, and I didn't want to fight but because I was older. I had a lot of experience. So I was kind of running away and stuff, because I was in my 40s. And then they came and tracked me down and I and I had to go so I had to leave my family and stuff like that. But in the in the main scene, I'll never forget this. I was in the trenches. And I remember just waiting for the whistle as we would third, third or fourth trench back. And we're just waiting for the whistle. And I knew that we're all going to die. I just knew it. And so it was just a horrible experience. And I'll never forget this. I remember, because I was the captain of them. Because I was the oldest one that that's the only reason. But I remember looking down the line, and there were only 15 1617 year old boys like they were just so young. And, and I remember I remember looking to the one next to me. And he was only about 16. And I remember, I saw his eyes and it was my daughter's eyes. I was like, Oh, my God, and he was petrified. And I'll never forget, as I said, I said, it's okay. Because we were all going to die together. We're just going to do it all as a team. Yeah. And I said, just pop off as many as you can. And you promise them you'll, you'll be fine mate. So then I remember. And it was our turn and a whistle came. And it was so funny. Like, he got shot pretty early. And I kept on going and I got shot right in the heart. But I'd actually left the body before before the body dropped. So I didn't actually feel anything. Yeah. And I remember I remember floating over to the guy who shot me and I was like, thumbs up to him because I was like, oh, man, that was a good shot. Like you're good. Like, you're awesome. Like you nailed me. Yeah, Truby, but then, yeah, but then I realized in that session, when we're when I was when I was talking about angels and guides and all that sort of stuff. Like why they showed it to me, I'm What's that got to do with my life and stuff? They said, that's because that boy felt so safe with you. He wanted you to be his dad in this life, but he wanted to be a girl because you'll be even more protective. Well, wow, it just made so much sense. And as she came on, she was really scared. And she was good for you for like, a year or two. She was just scared of everything. Yeah. But it was me that was protecting her and telling her it's alright. It's okay. And yeah, so it just makes a hell of a lot of sense to people.

Ian Hawkins: 42:25

Yeah, yeah. It was when when things present that don't make any sense, which is so much of our life, anything that can actually give us some comfort and, and understanding is just so. So company, right?

: 42:37

Yeah, sorry. Comforting. Yeah. And it heals a lot of stuff, too. You know, like people. People might be scared of the water. You know, and they, there's no conscious reason why nonconscious had nothing to do with his life. But But they could have drowned and a previous life. But then as soon as we get that, get that understanding, get the learnings, clear all the emotional stuff behind it. And then all of a sudden, they're not scared of water anymore. They're fine. So yeah. I'm not trying to make people believe in it. Because I don't know how it works. Even if it's fantasy. I'm like, who cares?

Ian Hawkins: 43:15

If it works? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I say the same thing. Every time when this sort of stuff comes up. Like why would you not want to believe that something that's that's going to work that's going to make you feel better? That's going to give you a connection with maybe someone who's who's left or someone who's still here? Yeah.

: 43:35

Yeah. They're my favorite sessions is when people go on hypnosis, and they see a law and they see one of their loved ones, like, gets crossed over. Ah,

Ian Hawkins: 43:49

just a bit. It's just the basic.

: 43:51

Yeah, because they can, because they can express you know, even if they're angry, leaving, like, I just hold space for them, and just let them just say whatever they want to say. And if they're angry, well then just tell them that you're pissed off with them for leaving. Yeah, like, they're right there for you. Like, like, you know, we're in a safe environment. So just let them Evan? Yeah. Yeah, that's very cool. Yeah.

Ian Hawkins: 44:19

I both your parents still living?

: 44:23

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm lucky because because my parents had me when they were really young. So they were only 18 and 16 when they had me so Molly house. I think it's like 65 or something. So

Ian Hawkins: 44:35

yeah. So have you like have you had those conversations about the you asking these questions that your dad when you were quite young, and then the journey that's taken you on?

: 44:47

Yeah, he's a good he's a good man is only young. So he was actually the first one that I called when the the world record was broken can be good because I knew how stoked you'd be. Yeah, but but all the past life regression and stuff that just go straight over his head. He's just not as fast What about simple? He's more simple than me.

Ian Hawkins: 45:18

What did that mean? That those first conversations because you said you, you actually asked him, you started asking him curious questions about the mind and that sort of stuff. Do you remember what answers he actually gave you that sort of piqued their curiosity?

: 45:36

Yeah, cuz he was he was always interested. Because he's quite strong. He's quite strong minded. Like he's quite a determiner, and bugger. And, um, and he always said, if you really set your mind to something, well, then you can achieve it. Yeah, so really plant a lot of things in there. Yeah. So and then and then he was showed me examples of world champion. And and, and sporting focus on sporting icons and stuff like that. Yeah. The the elite players and things like that. Yeah. And then we're watching things like Darren brown together and in mental shows and stuff like that. And Paul McKenna, Paul McKenna was was back because he had a real the Paul McKenna hypnosis show, which was the entertainment stuff. Yeah. So it all kind of just clicked for me. Really? Yeah, I just followed. I just followed the universe. And before you know it, you're doing something that you never even thought was possible.

Ian Hawkins: 46:53

Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. liking it and loving. Yeah.

: 46:58

Yeah. Love was actually easy. It's really easy. It's not complicated. It was complicated, I wouldn't be able to do it.

Ian Hawkins: 47:10

I love that. And that's good. What lesson for all the listeners who maybe spend a lot of their time complicating things and overthinking things and as it goes on, again, I'm gonna make things more than they are. So they can find you and your links and so on.

: 47:33

Okay, so the best thing is my website, Gold Coast dash hypnotherapy.com.au or just Google my name. And you'll you'll find me there's not many John McCloskey hypnotherapist around I'm a unicorn. So for that.

Ian Hawkins: 47:55

John, thank you so much for coming on and being so patient through the challenges that we've had through getting that connection.

Unknown Speaker: 48:05

I feel sorry for you for having to edit it.

Ian Hawkins: 48:09

I get someone else to do that stuff. But the Yeah, your energy's huge, right, you've obviously the system's having trouble coping with it. So I appreciate you coming on and sharing so much wisdom. And it's fascinating line of work. I really appreciate you is investing this time in the in the interview, mate. Thank you.

: 48:36

Pleasure anytime, and and thanks for having me. You're welcome. Thank you so much.

Ian Hawkins: 48:44

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