Ep 379 - Simplifying Spirituality with Rachael Thompson Phillips

Ian Hawkins 0:02

Are you ready, ready to release internal pain to find confidence, clarity and direction for your future, to live a life of meaning, fulfillment and contribution to trust your intuition again, but something's been holding you back, you've come to the right place. Welcome. I'm a Ian Hawkins, the host and founder of The Grief Code podcast. Together, let's heal your unresolved or unknown grief by unlocking your grief code. As you tune into each episode, you will receive insight into your own grief, how to eliminate it and what to do next. Before we start by one request, if any new insights or awareness land with you during this episode, please send me an email at info at the Ian Hawkins coaching.com. And let me know what you found. I know the power of this word, I love to hear the impact these conversations have. Okay, let's get into it.

Such a powerful chat with Rachel Thompson Phillips that you're about to listen to. She shared a great message around simplifying spirituality. So you would have heard me talk here about different spiritual aspects, some some deeper than others. And what she brought to the table was a way of allowing yourself to simplify that to make it work for you. So you can importantly, use whatever spiritual side you have to navigate the day to day structure process. How do you make sense of it in a your day to day life in a world that perhaps doesn't always embrace it. So if that's something that you know, you need help with your you really enjoy this chat. As she said, at the end, it might be one you need to listen to a couple of times, because there's a bit to unpack. Anyway, enjoy this chat with Rachel Thompson Phillips, international psychic, and remedial massage.

Rachel Thompson Phillips, how are you? Very well, thank

Unknown Speaker 2:09

you. And thank you so much for having me.

Ian Hawkins 2:12

You're welcome. I love chatting with people. I've shared the business journey with I guess we we did some training together way back when and have continued to follow your progress. And I was saying before we jumped on, it's been interesting. I hadn't seen any of your stuff. But then we had this book deal. And suddenly, of course, I'm seeing you everywhere.

Speaker 2 2:31

I know, it's I love to whenever you go and do some form of study, there are always special people that just managed to just stay in your world. And you just always seem to find ways to connect with each other and doesn't matter. It's sort of like old friends. When you haven't seen each other for ages. When you do come back to each other. It's just like, just like yesterday. So

Ian Hawkins 2:53

yeah, absolutely. And I guess for context for people who perhaps don't haven't done a heap of it. It's certainly not everyone. It's usually a small percentage of people. And it's and it's because there has been some connection. So yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 3:07

100% usually only finds like maybe three or four people that you actually have to stay in contact. Long term with that. Absolutely.

Ian Hawkins 3:15

So we want to tell your story today. And where do we stop? Okay, we're gonna start here. You said there's been a few sort of big moments that you said 26 years ago, your dad died. Can you share a little bit about how that unfolded and, and the impact that had on your life

Speaker 2 3:41

that had so many different dimensions within just that one experience, like my parents were separated when I was very young, and we moved here from New Zealand to Australia. And back 26 years ago, there was no internet, the only it was still old school, you sent a letter or you rang on the phone. And you didn't do that very often because it cost a fortune. So we didn't have a lot of contact with our dad because he just didn't travel like we do today. That availability wasn't there. But when I had my daughter, my dad started flying over for work. And I would go to Sydney and I would fly down and see him and started building that bond. Because when we left New Zealand I was a young girl with now, you know, a young mom in my early 20s. So much had changed. And so we were building this bond and it was really wonderful. But my dad had when he was young had developed rheumatic fever. So there was always heart conditions for him as far as he had valves in his heart that didn't work properly. So they didn't usually cause too much of a problem. But he knew as he got older that he would eventually either need to have the valves replaced or have a new heart. And we had just all discussed that my mom mum and my dad, were actually going to be here in Australia for Christmas, for the first time since we were like probably about, you know, 11 or 12. So it was such a special moment. And then my dad went in and had his surgery. And he had come back from the surgeon and the surgeon had said, everything was perfectly fine. It had all the tests, and he was excited about coming over. But about a month before he passed away, he rang me one evening, and my eldest sister lived with me, and he seemed really unusual. He was very articulate on what he said, and every word had such a deep meaning behind it. And I ended up saying to him, like, is everything okay? And he's like, yeah, just if anything ever happens, just tell me that you girls will be together. That set off at alarm bell for me. And about a month prior to because I'd had my son in August, and my dad passed away in October. And around about September, I started having these horrific nightmare dreams about death. And they were like graphic that they would wake me up in the middle of the night. And then I'd go off and do things and then I'd go back to sleep. And it was almost like the video just keep playing over. And this went on for about a month. And then about

Ian Hawkins 6:26

to, like, breakout. Can you hear me now?

Unknown Speaker 6:33

Yeah, okay, now.

Ian Hawkins 6:35

Okay. There's been a big break out there. So might be significant, significant that I asked this, those dreams? Were they were they the process of dying, or what it would be like after Dima, what what were what were the were they sort of same messages every night.

Speaker 2 6:51

It was the same video every night. And it was, I don't know, it's gonna seem really unusual. But it was about our dog. That was, we lived next door to a crane yard and our dog tried to get out every night. And it was like, these people would kidnap our dog and bury him and leave his head exposed. And do that in front of us. And there was nothing that we could do. So it was almost like watching a death unfold, but not being able to do anything. And now, you know, obviously, it was time to think about it was like, I knew my dad was going to pass that there was nothing that I could do about it. And so it was just the just that it was just the same repeated dream over and over and over again. And that has always sort of been a bit of a theme for intuitive information, big intuitive information comes through quite often like that for myself. But I remember sitting there for about an hour before I've got the phone call. And I was just talking with my husband. And out of nowhere, I just said to him, my dad's died. And it was like the words came out of my mouth. And we just stared at each other. And my husband said like, why did you say that for an hour went? Actually, I don't know. But I know exactly that that is exactly when it happened. And an hour later, we got the phone call. And even though we've been from the heart surgeons, the medication that he needed to live on caused, like a little pimple on his heart. And it was always just going to be a matter of when and it never came up on the test. And when that pimple burst, he he obviously he died. And that was an October. So we had all of these dreams of having both of our parents together and having a Christmas together. And all of that was just gone. So it wasn't just the fact of losing my dad and having all of that intuitive information. It was just that loss of our family getting a chance to unite together that was incredibly saddened. And because they hadn't spent much time there was just all these unanswered questions, we always thought we had more time to be able to ask certain questions. So there was just so much loss on so many things. And I think I was great. I grieved a lot for like, obviously my dad being gone, but also that dream of our family actually coming together and growing and getting a chance to get to know each other. And that I think was something that I found probably one of the hardest because by then I'd had my daughter and my son, my sister had had a child was due to have a child. So there was all these grandbabies the next generation that our children, our children didn't get to meet our dad. He was fun. He was vibrante he had this really huge presence about him and you just always felt safe. And he was a very staunch man. So it was just like yeah, it was it was just so much loss because you know, when when my parents separated there was a loss then and that this was a permanent loss. There was never, ever any coming back from that. So It was it was really difficult. I think at first, I'm one of those kinds of people, I think each person deals in that exact moment. I think there are different types of people. And I'm one of those people that I'm like the organizer, what needs to be done? How can I help? Let's get everything and look after everyone. And then once all that's taken care of, then I do my own grieving process. But I actually actually didn't know how to grieve that loss of my dad. And it became very internalized. And I ended up that was the very first time I ever had a panic attack and didn't know. And it was such a severe one that I'd actually set up set my heart rhythm and how to live on heart tablets for about six months to reregulate itself. And I thought, here it is, my dad died and passed because I blew a hole in his heart. And here I am nearly doing the same sort of thing. And it was like it was so then I not only had the passing of my dad to deal with but I had to learn. I didn't know anything about panic attacks, there wasn't really an open conversation about it. So I then had that on top of it to try and navigate around while I still had two children under the age of three. So it was just such a heavy, intense time and even now 26 years later, it just still only feels like yesterday he was gone.

Ian Hawkins: 11:34

So when you say you like you didn't know how to grieve, how did that actually show up for you?

: 11:42

Through the panic attacks, it was just lots of internal conversation keeping my thoughts and when I say didn't know how to grieve, I didn't know how to communicate with people so you just seem to be in this prism of everyone else's life is moving on but yours just seems to have stayed still and it's only so much time I feel like you've feel that people comfortable without with having that conversation around grief before they don't want to hear it anymore. And so therefore you you don't know who to turn to you also don't know how to be able to process that because you can't stop those thoughts. And it wasn't until I had the panic attacks that I actually then found a really nice counselor and that was when I suppose my healing journey went along because there was I didn't need to filter what I said this was someone that didn't know me, I could say the same things over and over and over again from different perspectives and I wasn't judged and there was no pressure from her to like come on get your shit together. You're a mom like let's move on bury it. Sorry, it actually gave me the space to actually be able to learn to be able to put words to emotions and feelings that I was having. And because I think sometimes it can get really quite hard on yourself it doesn't matter how we evolved you are you when you go through that you're always considered myself to be a super strong person that I saw as such a weakness and because they have those two courses going on within myself it's like man I really need to I need to address what is going on because I am making my whole world crumble and I need to be able to find a way to be able to move through this and in a healthy way or else I could potentially not be here my own self and that really scared me

Ian Hawkins: 13:49

you I bet so the inability or the or lacking a space to be able to process what was going on and it all just sort of built up and the voices going on your head and all of all that stuff and I imagined for someone like yourself also taking on a whole lot of other people's stuff around that as well. Yeah, it all just kind of like concertina on top of you and like and then the panic attack. How did that actually what was that like? What how would you describe it?

: 14:21

Ah, that was possibly like one of the freakiest moments I had gone through a meditation I thought I'd you know, start tapping into the go into meditation trying to connect with my dad. And when I was at a meditation, I just heard this voice say to me, I'll take you to see your dad. And because I got into such a very low depressive state, I actually misunderstood the information and I thought that meant that I was gonna die because I was Son, I was sort of spiraling towards that direction. And that really freaked me out. And I came out of the meditation, I was just like, oh my god, you know, be careful what you wish for you were saying, you know, you felt like you were dying. And now, you've been told you're going to be taken to the other side to meet them, like, Oh, my God, like I was 24. And spiritualism wasn't as evolved and as such a big conversation. And I kept that all to myself. And when I got home, and I sat down. And I think because I was by myself, I became so frightened by the fact that I thought I was going to die that then I had a panic attack. And I literally could not one minute I could feel my body. And the next minute from my neck down, I literally, I felt like I was paralyzed, I couldn't feel anything. And I just, my heart was racing out of my chest, but I couldn't actually move. And all I could do was screw match my husband. And then was just taken away by an ambulance, but even at the hospital was like, Well, you've just had a panic attack, go home. Try not to stress and you're like, I'm one of those kinds of people. So I like to know, why is that happened? How can I stop it? All of those, but I just went home with no information. And then that scared me because I was like that the feeling of giving sensation back of my body came after a couple of hours, with the racing in my heart. And all of those symptoms that come with anxiety didn't go away. But I didn't have any answers around that. And I was really grateful because my mother in law had actually come across a book before I even had a panic attack. And it was called living with it. And it was about a author, a cartoonist that had got anxiety, and she wrote a book about anxiety, but in a cartoon form. And still to this day, if I ever find out or know that someone's had anxiety, I always recommend it is the most beautiful, simple, fun book that is so in depth that was like reading this book was like someone was reading exactly what was going on inside of my head and inside of my body. And that helps me on my journey to have a much deeper understanding around how much my own thoughts, were creating so much dis ease within my own body? Well, it probably took me about maybe I would say a good nearly 1215 months. Were in there is no symptoms were completely gone. But I had to do lots and lots, I did lots and lots of self work around being able to clear that and not have to live with that, like a lot of people do today.

Ian Hawkins: 17:51

Yeah. Actually, as you were sharing that story, like you said, that wasn't a common thing that even got talked about. And I'm staggered, but also not surprised that you're giving you're given no tangible steps to take to do anything about it. But I imagine given the work that you do, and we're going to get into this at the end, but we'll share it now. So you're your international psychic, and I love the card readings that you do with your own personalized set of cards. You I imagine that I imagine that you attract other people into your world, who have had a similar experience, perhaps have had different abilities. It's a thrust upon them that it feels like it's been thrust upon them. And they and they don't know how to navigate the something that's probably foreign, but also not because it's been it's always been there, but it's been probably suppressed by circumstances and situations and family environments and so on. Is that Is that the sort of thing that you like? Is that sort of people the tend to help you think?

: 19:04

Oh, for sure. It was definitely the reason why I obviously as you mentioned, like created my own deck of cards wanted to help people because walking through the journey of spiritualism and you can call it awakening whatever it is, but once you start tapping into and having those spiritual, I don't call them gifts because they're not a gift. There's something that is completely innate and natural within us. But when we actually start learning to tap into those skill sets, they don't just knock on the door and just come in lovely they just like and they come in full swing and you think people were open to having that conversation. But if you say to them all look all of a sudden, I'm seeing this and feeling that and this is coming through people that as much as they're open to it people will still look at you like Are you for real? Yeah, so for you know, the journey over the 20 years of how much spirituality has advanced, there's still so much space where there's so many people that don't have a place that they can go and communicate about that just as similar to how I experienced my Dad's Day, no one that they can openly communicate someone where they don't have to have unfiltered. I mean, my husband, he's not into the spiritual world at all. And I love that. But the conversation that I might have with him is so very different. It's like at this level up here, but when I'm talking with spiritual people about spiritual stuff, that conversation goes in goes deep, you know what I mean? So you, you need to be able to find people that you can have that open conversation, remove those filters feel comfortable enough, because there's a lot of things that go on within our physical and mental aptitude within ourself, connected to spirituality that gets really wobbly there for a while. And it takes a little while to navigate around how to use this new skill set, how to integrate it. So to normalize it in a way because this malady many years ago was you had to be an exceptional person to use your intuition. And I think that was the greatest quest that I wanted to teach people is that you aren't exceptional. And that then that's not to take away the fact that they're not amazing, unique beings, but it was like, every person to normalize it, it takes it away from being uncomfortable, being able to have normal conversations, to be able to open about it and realize that we're all having these conversations, we just use different languages around it. And it's happening to every single person. So it's, and it's not a gift, because I tell you, when you get some stuff come through, it don't feel like a gift at all. It's like, Now I know this, I can't unknow that gift, you know what I mean? But I think it's is something that I really wanted to help people with was to learn to be more and more comfortable with that part within themselves. Because I didn't have that myself. And I didn't have that when my father passed. And I thought, if I just had someone to be able to talk to about, you know, these pivotal moments of, you know, learning about yourself so much. You don't need to bounce off the wall, you don't need to make as many mistakes, you can have someone that says, hey, this is actually normal for you to go, Oh, God, I'm not going crazy. You know, it's it's such a relief when people find out that whatever they're going through is okay. And it's normal. It's like a sigh of relief people I feel still to this day still connect. Like, I always say there's a very fine line between psychic and psycho. Some people will still question your sanity when you have different types of conversations. So it's important to be able to know that you have a safe place and a safe mentor or a guide or a support system that that is there to be able to help you be able to get more and more comfortable with the skills and integrate them into who they are as the person but integrate them into their everyday life. And I've always really enjoyed that journey of being able to share that with people because that's what people ever want to do is just feel comfortable in their own skin.

Ian Hawkins: 23:31

Yeah. So good. And so Drew. To me, that is the gift is that every like you said, everyone's got it. It's it's be able to appreciate it, to be able to navigate it. And then like you said to have the skills and structure no one on earth to do about it. Because so many people get caught in that. Well for for me and for the people I help it tends to turn up in overthinking. And that voice that like you described before the panic attack that just continues to go Yeah, repetition. Yeah. So what if you are able to realize that there's something there that actually is quite unique, and you can actually use that to your advantage? I think what you talked about there, like being able to give them those skills and how to apply to daily life that to me, that's such a gift that you give people.

: 24:25

Thank you. And I feel like it's super important because we talk about having even more definitive when talking about intuition and spiritual senses, is to be able to understand the number one biggest important thing to learn is how does and I always refer to soul. How does soul communicate to you? You know, even though we have these clear senses, we will always have one more definitive clear sense. And what happens is that the beginning everyone because you will usually be able to recognize a couple of different answers that you know how to use, and you're trying to develop them all at the one time. And that that's not the right way to go about it. In fact, that can actually be more detrimental to your progress and your self esteem by approaching it that way. Whereas if you become really just learned about what's your main clear, dominant sense, you build and harness and strengthen that, and therefore, you'd be able to replicate that same system or process back into developing the others. But it lets you know, what is the strongest way that your soul communicates to so that when you do have all of these sensors going off, you know, which is the one that you can go to that you trust more than the others, rather than trying to trust all of them. And none of them are all actually developed at the moment.

Ian Hawkins: 25:54

Yeah. And from my experience, that how their soul talks to us is very, very similar to how we do our best work externally as well. And in the process, it's been a long process of building a model around that so people can have some actually have some context. Because the soul your soul has been talking to you through all these different experiences. And you've Yeah, yeah,

: 26:18

yeah. Everything is soulfully. Guided and directive, genuine. I mean, it's out there. I always say that as humans, we'd like to really, and my, my French humans, like we'd like to complicate the shouldn't have. And so we'll say, Why are you taking, I'm giving you, you want to sign, here it is, and you're going what sign I've got none and keep going in that direction. But the thing that I, I always have in so wheezing, or that soul never just dumps your ass walks up and goes, You're just too hard. I don't want to, I'm not I don't want to do this assignment with you anymore. Because it's too difficult. It stays with you. And it will find ways in which to continually communicate with you, until you feel comfortable enough to be able to bridge that gap where you're like, Oh, now I get that message. And I'll go on, but it will be so consistent, to just keep trying different avenues and different channels to be able to always stay connected with each person. And that's where knowing your strongest clear sense, then therefore comes back to then soul is going to communicate. So that's visual, you're going to see things, you know, all signs, messages, Angel numbers, it's going to come through that way. But sometimes people will be like, you know, that. They're like, if they're a visual person, they like I can't hear what soul saying. And in my brain, I'm like, because you're not supposed to hear it, you're supposed to see it. And that visuals. Yeah. And so that's where learning that what your strongest sense is helps you then declutter a lot of that noise and then be able to become really zero focused on knowing that when intuitive information is coming directly from your soul, it's a 100% hit that, you know, is as human sometimes we'll take that and we'll listen and we'll follow that guidance. And sometimes someone has to just give us a little bit of a slap outside that one slap sometimes to be like, Hey, hurry up, let's, you know, I'm giving you enough. Now

Ian Hawkins: 28:26

let's move on 100%. The, what usually happens is the messages get stronger and stronger. And if we don't pay attention, then we get something like a panic attack, for example, right? When it's like, I've like got your attention yet.

: 28:43

The intensity just keeps going higher and higher and higher and you're stressed. Your nervous system goes into overload. But yeah, you're right like so just never, never leaves us it's just so devoted to be able to help us stay on our path to be able to learn more about ourselves. I think it's always we as humans, that it's not that we don't trust or it's we don't trust ourselves. And that's where the journey of soul takes us on that to learn for us as humans to trust ourselves because souls had so many lifetimes it has this wealth of knowledge it has and it knows your soul blueprint and what your mission and your passion and your purpose and what you're here to do and the people that are supposed to come into your world that as humans were like toddlers, we've never been here before. We want to try everything we want to do everything we want to you know, it's like don't do this. That's like a red, a red flag like I must do that. Like, Seoul is so wise with this out of control, unruly toddler that it's gonna try and navigate around to find that so it's usually because we've gone against our intuition, but we also learn from that, but it's not the trust that we don't have in Seoul or the universe. It's The trust that we lack within our selves,

Ian Hawkins: 30:04

which is why it's so important to have that way to navigate it. It's, it's something that, that I see a lot is that people have that self doubt, and it shows up with the guidance they get. But it's important to have the structure that you talk about and the skills to be able to know what the message is actually saying. And then how to apply it to everyday life. It's not that you're that you're wrong, it's just maybe like everything else application,

: 30:33

learning, your interpretation and your perception and where your head's out or. And if your sense, your strong dominant sense is not. As, as strong as that can be, then ik you can, we can deviate and misunderstand things in and sometimes very important messages will come through very, very clear and concise that other things will come through like a piece of the puzzle, you get a snippet of this information, and a snippet of that, and a snippet of this. And it's about building that storyboard around all of those little bits of information, to be able to understand what the whole complexity of the message that's coming through. But it also depends on where you're at, where your stress levels are at your perception levels of looking at it. But each time you learn something more about yourself around building more and more confidence with using your intuition. Because a lot of people say, you know, my intuition said do this, and I didn't do the opposite. Now always say that is such a, we all learn sometimes from the opposite spectrum, because the next time your intuition comes in, you're like, I didn't listen to it this time. So I'm gonna take notice of it. Yeah. So we learned from following the information. But we also learned just as equally as much by going and detour and then coming back, because we come back with more knowledge.

Ian Hawkins: 32:08

Yeah. Which is why I very much subscribe to that idea of it's not it's not the decision that gets you in trouble. It's the lacking of making a decision. Like, you'll learn from both paths, right?

: 32:22

Yeah. And that's where the lack of trust, confidence gets wavered. We move more into our head and overthink everything, because as humans, we tried to say that, like, we don't strive for perfection, but I think that's not true. Every person wants to know that they get it right, especially when it comes to really big decisions. And we forget that we are continually evolving, and we learn through mistakes. I think we just have perceptions that as we get older, we're supposed to not make as many. But then I think well, how are we supposed to grow? But some of them are like, really? Do I need to keep? How many more times do I need to visit this? I think we just need to be a little bit more patient and kind with ourselves. Because I think, and this is not just my belief and and I it's something that has stayed doing, like dear and true to me for 20 odd years. Everything. Every experience teaches you something, if you learn for what your lesson is, then you will find the blessing in it so that you can move forward. And that's it doesn't matter. Whatever goes on my life. I always go What am What am I? What am I supposed to learn here because if I know what I'm supposed to learn, you can remove all the nose focus in on what the lesson is, and navigate through that. But if you're just floundering around, you just keep making more mistakes. And then there's more, more chance of like, beating up on yourself and having negative thoughts and being unhealthy with yourself.

Ian Hawkins: 34:00

Yeah, spot on. Well said. Now, at that time, you said you're you're 24 like you're not fully aware of your abilities at that point or or were you already starting to get some thought around that like when did when did you realize that this was something that you could actually do quite well? Or easily?

: 34:26

Probably our a little, maybe about a year or so before my father had passed away. But for me, I could read people it was just reading people was so easy and what I read about people and then their actions, it was like, so innately, it was like I just figured everyone else work that way. She never domain and it wasn't until I realized that people didn't that then I I kept that part hidden from everyone because I'm talking back in the day ranges where we, you know, we embrace uniqueness that everyone be unique. But when when I was a younger a younger girl like back in the 80s, and that if you were told you were different, that was not meant that you were unique and amazing, you were different and weird and something was wrong with you, you know what I mean? So and so I didn't know enough about it, I'm I love academia, I need to know why something works on one of those kinds of people's that when something's happening, I just need to know why and how so then I can then harness it and embrace it, and work with that as opposed to just sort of feeling like stuff is happening, but they were, there was no knowledge around around spirituality. I mean, I didn't even I met some psychics in my, my very early 20s. And I they literally were all kinds of crazy that they did like I went to the had this reading done with this gentleman once and he was a lovely person and that but he goes, I want to show you how powerful I am and got like, you remember back many years ago, she didn't have like the news to use the nappy pins. Well, he put it through his skin and he goes see not even an ounce of blood. That's how powerful I am. And I was like, Dude, you're crazy. And because of that it diminished everything that he said and outside there was always in the early days that that spiritualist needing to prove needing to prove needing to prove to jump through hoops jump through hoops because you weren't looked at as something that was embraced. It was something that like the Gypsy that sits in the corner that doesn't know what's going on. And people have the perception that if you're intuitive, then you are psychic, work your life and just be perfect. And if it's not, then you're not very good. And so I really wanted to distance myself from that, because I didn't feel like I fitted in the proper little box of what a psychic look like or how I dressed how I looked at her how I thought how I perceived was so very different. I was in into the crushed velvet and incenses and wanting to sit and meditate for for days on end. And you know that that kind of lifestyle it was just boring. That's that that was how they sort of spiritual realms sort of really was and was tarot cards. And it was that was not how my intuition work. But I also knew that it was spot on. So I just it was also at the time where I was massaging. So I just used my intuition and a completely different way, when I was massaging still got all the same results still got all the heads. And that just helped me build more and more confidence and strength. Over the years,

Ian Hawkins: 37:58

probably made the people on the receiving end more open to receiving too, because it was like through another vehicle that they did understand

: 38:07

100% And it opened up that place for conversations that people wouldn't normally have the door then becomes opened, because you're approaching it in a way where you're not pressing levels of vulnerability, you're actually opening up doorways for I mean, the amount of people over the years have been a remedial massage therapists that have people have said to me, I've told you stuff I've never told anyone and I look at that as being such a such a humbling experience that someone trusts you enough. Because you've been able to have been able to use my intuition to be able to maybe open up in a type of conversation that then opens the doorway for them to go, oh, I can have this conversation with someone. And or No, I always knew from very early on with massage that every physical pain related to an emotional element. And so I did a lot of work and a lot of study around learning what those mapping of the body was. So if I knew when someone came with a pain what that emotional element was, so I learned to have conversations that I know would help release that with from within their body. And it just seemed I always said intuition. People will come to you intuitively through different doorways but they still want you to be able to get to the depths of their soul and speak communicate with their soul once you've developed enough trust, so, so good. So

Ian Hawkins: 39:40

can we just pause for one second? That one of my children's dogs, the dogs gone fucking crazy. So it's yours or not mine

Do you remember what you're about to dive into and say after that?

: 40:25

It was just about the connection between massage and intuition, just as I was saying, like different doorways for people to come in.

Ian Hawkins: 40:31

It's interesting, as you said, different doorways is knocking at the door. I had a muted.

: 40:35

Yeah. That's exactly how it works. You know what I mean?

Ian Hawkins: 40:39

Yeah, well, let's, let's dive in there. I'll, I'll lead in with that. And then we'll go, okay. So, Rachel was just talking about knock on the door, and at the end of the pot out there, because there's literally a knock on the door, as she was saying, one of my children forgetting the keys. And like you were saying, This is how it works. Right? That's right,

: 41:01

metaphorically, it's just just reminding you that I think people, there's still so much that needs to be spoken authentically about, like the intuition and spirituality and stuff like that, and is that everyone has different doorways in which they go to be able to gain access to that information with someone that they deeply trust, you know, one doorway is better or worse than the other. It's just what's most comfortable for that person. And I think that's the reason why I've always loved working in with the different modalities and the different, the different ways that I do because it's opening different doorways for different types of people to come forward, and still talk about the same thing, but under different ways that makes them feel most comfortable. And that makes me use my intuition in different spectrums as well. And I'm sort of what I liked, I liked to have different ways to be able to utilize that I'd get bored of it was only just one way to utilize that skill set. So and I just never want anyone to feel like I did many years ago that there was no one to be able to talk to so many different types of clienteles, from spiritual to, you know, massage, they're very different people, but at the depths of it, they're still the same. And I love being able to work with the different variables with people. It's wonderful. Just open up the door, and there will always be people that want to walk through it.

Ian Hawkins: 42:32

No, so good. What you described there as like, if anyone's trying to deepen purpose, what what Rachel just said, then you never went, you'll find purpose in that space where you never want anyone else to have to go through what you went through. Yeah. so fulfilling to help people on that journey, isn't it?

: 42:51

And it's I think a lot of this generation, we talked a lot about money went and you know, yourself, and when you hit just a magical moment with your client. You can't put $1 sign on it. You can't even explain it in words. Sometimes. It's just like, Yeah, well, that is so freakin cool. That shit is awesome. And if you get to do that all the time, sign me up for it. And, and I think it's just this I think we still have moments where we still try to confine and put things into boxes, whereas you, every single person has these wonderful qualities and wonderful gifts within their own self. We're learning more and more and to be comfortable with that. And I have believed that. That is our quest as humans, yes, we want to know our purpose. We want to know our master plan and our soul blueprint. But I've always believed that that one question that every person is out there seeking is the same, which is who am I. And that's forever evolving, and metamorphosis thing all the time. So you just think you get to know yourself. And then you go through a new layer level of evolution of growth, and it's some part you'll be learning about yourself. And then you may decide to do something different. And like, currently, there's a lot around identity. And there's so much shifting and our identity and like anything when we have big growth spurts within our identity and learning more about who we are. There's also big gaps and vulnerability and the unknown. And it's nice to be able to have people in your journey that helps support you through that time while you're learning more about yourself.

Ian Hawkins: 44:45

Yeah, absolutely. And you talked about it from the start of the journey, right when when your dad passed, having someone to talk to was just so valuable, particularly someone that's not emotionally invested in your life and he's going to run react in certain ways, because of whatever of their own issues or challenges, they've got around the same situation. So

: 45:07

oh triggers as well, like, I, when that happened with my dad, I was like, oh, it's like a one off kind of thing, you know that that's alright. And I was like, when I was getting into the spiritual stuff, I'm like, I just around want to be psychic, I want to do this. And I'd be like, show me my, my gift or talent. And then next minute, it was just like, I knew when everyone was going to die about two months beforehand, and I was like, This is not a call get like, you know, like, you could have given me something super awesome. You have to give me the gift of knowing when someone was gonna die. Like, you don't ring up someone and go, Hey, by the way, I've got a couple of months Peace out, see you later. And I found that also a little bit of a challenge of like, I had to remove myself from, from the, let's call it the gift of what this skill was that I'd received. And I made it very much about myself, like, how am I supposed to do this? Blah, blah, blah. And then once I actually removed myself from it, and when, what am I supposed to do with it, because it wouldn't be given to me if I wasn't supposed to do something with it to help people. And that shift in thinking process created a whole incredibly different dynamic way in which I looked at it, it gave me a chance to be able to have conversations. And because I've developed that conversational skill with working with massage, to know how to have conversations without sparking things, or triggering things with people, but giving them seeds in which to be able to open up within themselves when they were comfortable, or ask more questions and share more around that. I could say to people, you know, have you spoken to that person lately? You know, it's probably been a while since you've seen them, like, you know what I was just thinking about seeing that person. Thanks for that reminder, I'll go around and see them. And it would be my way in which I could get people to get back in touch with people remind them that sometimes death is final, even though we get to communicate them with them. On the other side, there's nothing more valuable than having skin here and breath to hold his hand touch. But you're gonna get that proven, no one's that time is not for everyone. So if you know that there's a limited time, use that time wisely. When my dad passed, there was so many unanswered questions, there were so many hugs and kisses that were unsaid and undone, and so many moments of never getting a chance to say face to face to them. I love you. And I didn't want people to have that. So that's when I was like, How can I extract what was painful for me from my father's passing? And how can I introduce this and put this into other people who I know whose world is about to crumble, and present them with an opportunity to fix things to be able to remove past all the rubbish that sometimes we get caught up on, that we wish we didn't worry about when they go, you start to tidy up those kinds of things, then you get to have a little bit more uncomfortable conversations, because I believed my dad knew about a month before he passed that he knew he was gonna go. And my belief is that I think we all know when our time comes, whether we want to know it or not some way we received the information. So that gives us the chance to reach out to people. And that's what my dad did. Those last few weeks he reached out to people is had uncomfortable, what would be called uncomfortable conversations by letting people know how much they matter to them. And I think that was how I turned that skill of knowing when when someone was passing. Taking my knowledge that I'd learned in the pain that I had and turn that pain into power. How can I help other people, and then it became something that I've was I felt really humbled to be able to have this skill to be able to share with people at the most vulnerable time of their life.

Ian Hawkins: 49:14

Love it so much goal, they're part of me.

: 49:20

I think we always have such, I've always believed no one gets through life and escaped every person has. Some doesn't matter how many we have, but we have such powerful life changing moments that we can either get stuck in the pain of that or learn it again, as I mentioned before, how do you take that lesson, learn what you're supposed to and turn it into your blessing. So that's how do you turn your pain into something powerful. And I think when you and it takes time, it's not like you just go from pain to being empowered. You have to be able to work through the grief of whatever that pain is presented. For you, unravel everything, let yourself heal, but then let that healing be part of the power process. Because there will be someone that will come into your world that has experienced the pain that you have. And you can either engulf them in all of your painting, both of you stay trapped in in victim and disempowerment, or lift each other up and go, Hey, I've been here. Let's walk this journey together. I got you. Let's do this. You're not alone.

Ian Hawkins: 50:32

Yeah. I love that. And, and you mentioned it before that moment with clients. It's like when I when I had the conversations around retirement with my kids, it's like, no, I'm not retiring. I love this. Like if I can get to the point where I don't have to charge anything, like how good because like, what you just said, it's an honor, it's such an honor to to be able to take people on these journeys. I also wanted to touch on something else. You. You mentioned there before, when when suddenly you go okay, well show me show me my abilities and you get bombarded. I think anyone who's unlocked their abilities has had that moment where they're like, Are you fucking kidding me right now. But this is bullshit.

: 51:14

That's what I say to people. It's not a fucking gift. Because we're not feminine to you don't sit there and go. I am such an amazing, extraordinary person, you sit there and you're like, stop it. Stop. I don't want to do this anymore. I want to get off this bus. And I'm not having any fun. But it always does. And it's that's the thing that we don't open up those lines of conversation to be able to have with people, you know, years ago, and I love being able to share that with people. And like, as you said, like so many more people were talking about that, we start to normalize it and start to make it go from something that's traumatic that everyone tells you is this spiritual wake awakening, but they don't tell you a spiritual awakening also makes you feel like half of your brain has been open to a world that you can't close and you don't know what he's supposed to do with it. So you do feel one part hiding yourself and one part trying to define if you actually have split your brain and you're like Tony, a little bit crazy.

Ian Hawkins: 52:18

Yeah, exactly. Right.

It's that it's that feeling completely overwhelmed when when you open up to it that you're bombarded with what's opening up to what's always been there, but you've blocked it off. So you mentioned before each person's individual things, their minds my way, key senses around feeling and so the roller coaster I go on with, with clients I can do because it's in context, but when you get them randomly, and like if it's something like what you described like your heart go absolutely crazy. Which mind you has been happening a little bit in the lead up to this chat the last couple of days. So I'm already been getting some of that. You reckon? You reckon there are moments where I'm like, Alright, I'm out. I don't want this anymore, you know, randomly. Okay, who's this now? Or actually, maybe it's me, maybe there's something going on. But all those conversations that we have, right?

: 53:21

Do you want me to show you one one powerful way to help you in that moment? Yeah. Is ask, is it yours? Or is it someone else? Because when I do readings, or even work with massage, I'll get some physiological response. And at first I was like you like is, you know, is this something going on? I need to check myself what is it but then once I realized that I was actually receiving information that were other people's so that I could share that information with them and it gave validity to whatever it came up, then the moment then you realize that it's not your thing, it's gone. So sometimes we given that like, as you said, you got the heart palpitations before coming into this and that would have been cognitive 100% to the conversation we're having around anxiety and that so you know, but it is really discerning at that time trying to work out like there's so much going on, but there's no handbook with it. There's literally no handbook where that

Ian Hawkins: 54:17

like you said it's been overcomplicated and the question that you asked there and just being able to go is this what's actually going on get a yes or no and know what your your own yes or no is that's that's how you navigate all of those different moments. And if you're talking about things you can apply to day to day life, that to me that I remember having that conversation with my daughter and I was showing her the body pendulum and she's like, oh, cool, so I could do yes or no, she goes, Can you do this for everything? I'm like, everything.

: 54:50

It's like that brain opens like and it is it's like it's just like the coolest Thinking about simplifying things, things that I've shared with my students and when I teach people the spiritual side of things and intuition, I keep it to a very systemized process, if you follow that process, you're always going to get the answer. If you don't get the answer, it's because you've deviated away from a process, go back to that process, bring it back to that simplicity, follow. And then that way your brain knows that structure on how to be able to process whatever intuitive information comes through. If you follow that process, you're always going to be able to get your answer. And it's just through repetition that at first, it feels clunky. But once you start doing it, so many times over, it just becomes such an innate natural skill that you can get to your answers so much more quicker.

Ian Hawkins: 55:48

Yeah. And the longtime listeners to the podcast will know that I talk about coming back to process a lot, whether you're talking through a logic and, and a mental perspective or a process around a intuitive side of you, or whatever it is, it allows you to detach from the outcome. Instead just worry about the outcome, just come back to your process. And the process will take you wherever it is you need to go. So I love how you've applied that to the for the spiritual side, because it's like, yeah, you can do the same thing. And generally, if this has been your experience, is that there's kind of a set process for each of us, which we can apply to anything.

: 56:27

That's right. And that, again, comes back to those clay sensors. Because if you know how those clay sensors worked, and you're working with those clay sensors, and the process of that, therefore you add the information on top of it and follow the clear, like clear senses, process with that information, and unpacks everything and you start to feel what you trust yourself more in the decisions that you make from that by keeping it simple. Now, there's always a logic, there's a, there's a science behind spirituality that a lot of people didn't ever want to talk about because they want to keep it in the mystic realm. And all that did was just keep people feeling disempowered, because there was no no, no answers to a lot of questions that we have. Like you don't go and start a new job and not ask 50 million questions until you feel like you've answered all the questions to be able to do the job. Well, spirituality is the same. And that is always a logical component because it has to be because we're humans, we're receiving information that is from the ether that comes in quite cryptically. And we have to be able to then take that cryptic message and formulate it into logistics. And that's done through science. And it's done through energy, and it's through using your mind and using your experiences. And so it's not just a spiritual element. It's a human experience. It's the United union of both the spiritual and human that helps us to be able to unpack the information that comes through. It's not just one or the other. One can't happen without the other.

Ian Hawkins: 58:05

So good. I'm glad you shared that, Rachel, because that's, to me, that's the bit that people miss. It's like it doesn't take you to this like airy fairy world. In fact, we talked about being spiritually being overcomplicated, too many types take you into that space. And it's like, hang on, but we still live in this world, like, how do I navigate this world with that? Well, I don't want to completely, we want to come back to have a structure and a process so I can manage my day to day life.

: 58:34

And I love that you've said that because one of the biggest things that I've seen moving through at this time and point is like, how do I reach these new dimensions within two min and then dimension five, and I'm moving out to dimension 12? And it's like, well, that's awesome. But how do you bring that knowledge back and apply it here, what can happen is you can distance yourself on going on this quest of learning about existential, more spiritual, more levels and layers within that realm. But unless you can introduce it, all you're going to do is ostracize yourself and feel completely uncomfortable in the world, and yet you're living in. And therefore it's so super important to be able to recognize, and I say this about any form of knowledge that you learn, go and learn. Whatever it is that bit of knowledge, bring it back applied into your world, integrate it, know how it works, then go grab some more information that was given this phrase many years ago where people can just be like a library, they just keep getting more and more and more and more and more knowledge, keep taking books out of the library, but don't do nothing with it. And then all they have is just a whole heap of noise, confusion, and then feel even more disassociated and even more uncomfortable in their skin, because they now have nothing in which they can relate to other than just a whole heap of noise of knowledge sitting in their head. Knowledge is only powerful when you apply it a rest. It's just words language. And our brain only has the capacity to hold so much. So you have to be very cautious about what kind of information you're putting in there. And, you know, like, I think that's one thing that I always try to talk to anyone that's new to the spiritual realm is be very careful with how far you take yourself out. Because you can get lost out there. You can feel lost when you're first awakened, and that's really disorientated. And people think they need to know more stuff. It's not it's about working with harnessing what you do have, and then when you know the direction you want to go in, find yourself a great mentor, do your homework, don't just follow the, the masses of people to follow someone that and the beautiful thing with today is that there is an abundance of mentors and great people out there in the spiritual realm. Find someone that resonates with you, not one that resonates with everyone and do it when you're comfortable that if something goes skew off, because like anything with any mentor, and you'd know this yourself, even in business, there's always a timeframe. And you'll always hit a ceiling with your mentor, mentor, and you will have learned and shared and both growing the maximum that you can with each other, and then it's time for you to part ways and go off and meet different people. So the same thing goes for spirituality or any other form of knowledge base, be very, very cautious. Do your homework around the spiritual people. Because there still are a lot of

Ian Hawkins: 1:01:48

need. We don't need to put a name to it. But

: 1:01:51

you know what I mean, it's like, that happens, as I say that it happens in any industry, my husband's a concrete, like you get great concrete if you don't get great concrete. Use that just in minutes. It's not just specific to the spiritual realm.

Ian Hawkins: 1:02:04

Well, of course, it's it is funny, though, that you can get dragged from this whole place where it's like, you're being controlled, and you're being this and you're being that and there's all this fear, and then they go right across to the other side of the spectrum. And then they're just in the same place, but just different language and, and judging the people over the other side throwing rocks at us, like, come on. But it's that's not that's not the answer. And I love how you sum that up. It's beautiful. Thank you, Rachel. Just wanted to add something on process, because I imagine there'd be a lot of listeners this would relate to a big part of processing for me is externally processing is to get whatever is the thoughts that are going around in my head, like you describe with accounts are having a space that I can talk where I don't need anyone to answer, I don't need anyone to be able to fix it or solve it or whatever, just say, and then I can make sense of it myself. And to me that that would be the value in coming to see someone like yourself to be able to do that, and then have some context around it as well.

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Yeah, 100%. I always, as I said to you before, like, whenever anything comes on, I always like to share to people will be my gift I share with over all these callers and yourself. It's like always ask yourself, What's the lesson? What am I supposed to learn from this? And the answer will because the moment you ask yourself the question, so must answer you. So be concise with your questions. Don't just go Why does this happen? Which is what most people do? Why? That? The answer to why comes after you've learned? How is this happening? What am I supposed to do with it? What is my lesson? And then once you've got all the answers to that, then the y becomes revealed. But if you try and start with trying to get the answer to the big picture, it's not going to work. So whenever anything comes up intuitively, and you're trying to process that information, always, because what happens is when we're trying to process that information, it's out here, it's huge. It's elaborate, and there's so much noise. If you zero that back in and say what is my lesson, all the information that is out there that's inside of your mind that's not relevant, will dissolve the move away and start to bring forward what your listen is in that moment and make it shine even brighter. Therefore, you release a lot of the noise that doesn't need to be there. Oh, I

Ian Hawkins: 1:04:40

love that. So good.

: 1:04:43

And again, that just comes back to what we're saying simplicity. Keep it simple. always just come back to you know, always think like yourself, you've done coaching and mentoring. So Avaya and I've done some psychology. If we ask the right questions, we're always going to get the right answer but we just haven't ever been to thought to be able to do that. And it's always that those crisis points or those, you know, Pivotal processing moments that we forget to ask those powerful questions. So, I always, you know, the most way to get the deepest insight is to simplify it.

Ian Hawkins: 1:05:18

Okay. I'm glad you brought that up questions. To me, if you've been through what you could talk about awakening, or suddenly having this realization about maybe something that some guidance you're getting through your intuitive abilities, where you have to eventually get to navigate it is just asked better questions like you described, right?

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And because to answer the question, so ask powerful questions, and so will compute the answer will give you the answer to anything. So if you ask a dumb question, you'll get a dumb answer.

Ian Hawkins: 1:05:50

That's good. I'm going to ask another question in a minute. But I want to get to the second big incident, because we're, we're an hour deep and haven't even got there yet. So what's very great jet, five years after your dad passed, you had a significant boat accident. So why is that significant? What happened?

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I had learned a lot about myself through that timeframe. But I still very much kept that. And I will say psychic part of myself very, very behind closed doors. Very few people knew about it. And the reason I kept it hidden, which goes back to what I was saying about, I understand how I operate was that back then there wasn't the knowledge that was available, and so no one could, and there was no knowledge available out there that described why I did this, how I could use it. So someone said to me, You're psychic, how do you know you're psychic? I didn't have the answer to that. And so I felt very exposed, very vulnerable. And it bought more into that, or just the charlatan and the lady with the crystal ball. I wanted to because I've always been very methodical, very science based very anatomy and physiology. We have this soul that lives within us that has this wealth of knowledge that we are yet to end just breaking into now. But how as a as a human, how do I articulate this? How do I be able to explain something that I don't even know what's going on? This is not going to add any validity to it. So until I felt like I could answer those questions, I didn't like to be able to have that conversation with people because I couldn't answer them. So I felt like that just made you look more foolish. Yeah, it was something that I deeply trusted in. And we were going away with some friends over Easter. And I just kept again, having dreams keep getting this horrible dread feeling of a near death, potential for death accident. And I said to my husband, and to my friends, we're going as like if we got first aid. What happens if anything goes wrong? And they're like, You know what, Rachel, you're making us feel really uncomfortable. Don't say, Stop saying that. And so I was just like, there read it. And we'd been up there for a couple of days. And there was a gentleman that was up there and he had a jet boat. Now one of my dad's best friends was the world's best just jet boat ride driver back when I was a kid. So we've been in them multiple times. And I felt like it just wanted that connection to my dad. Like if I go for a jet bike ride, it's connected me with my dad, well get Africa did but not the way I'd anticipated. And he said I just said to him in passing when I don't you know, if you're up for taking anyone for a ride, I'd love to go. Well, he came the very next morning as we were saying goodbye to other friends and he said loads go and no one else knew about this conversation I've had and I just had this absolutely sinking dreadful feeling. And I knew in that moment, I should have said no, but I was so afraid to say no, that I didn't. And I just said yeah, okay, and I hopped on this boat. And I just knew then that I just made the worst decision and we took off and we were doing 80 miles an hour and I just knew something was gonna go wrong. And I made a promise to the universe that I said, if you let me live, I promise you I will stop hiding who I am. And the boat turned around and we were coming back up and it was just so eerie that day. The water was like a sheet of glass, which normally meant at like eight o'clock in the morning. There should have been people everywhere and it was hot. It was gorgeous. There was no one on the water except for us. And next minute the steering cables snapped. The boat flipped and we got I went out and I took the seat with me and I remember hitting water. And I remember being underneath the border, and it was just almost like someone was shining a torch on the border. And it was like I couldn't breathe. There was no pain. It was just the most surreal, most amazing moment. And I could just keep hearing this voice saying to me, there's this absolutely angelic female's voice and this gorgeous white, floaty dress just said to me, you need to come to the surface. And I'm like, yeah, no, I don't think I really want to do that. I know, there is a whole heap of mess waiting up there for me. So I'll just stay here for a while. And literally, it was like, I just sort of just got sucked back up this tunnel up to the top of the water. And next minute, it was like, chaos everywhere. Boats, people screaming, yelling, everything, people trying to save us. And. And I just remembered, like, I just couldn't believe that I let myself be in that situation where because I was hiding. I didn't tell people and really reinforced what it was. And so I took on a lot of guilt from that situation. And we both could have been killed. And both of us were so luckily, we had absolutely nothing wrong with us physically, physically, obviously, we had, like trauma of impacting of hitting water. And when actually I did go to the hospital, they said you're the only person that we have come across that has survived 80 kilometers an hour hitting water, and wanted to video it for science for this other students that mentally and emotionally mess me up. And again, it was the second time I had anxiety, and I never thought I'd get it again. So that rocked my world. And it took me a long time to recover from that because of the guilt and the shame and the anger I had within myself. And I went back to my pivotal question like I sent you, I said to myself, You survived for a reason you made a promise, what was your lesson? Let's get on with living. And that was quite a hard pill to sack up. And I took from it that I said, Well, I promised that I would stop hiding who I am. So I need to go and know how was it that I do this stuff. And I didn't stop until I could find it. I went in to seek out the information on a science level that anatomy and physiology intuition communicates to us on a physiological level, I want to know how or I don't know how it communicates to us on a spiritual level on a psychology level on a mental emotional level. And I just spent probably five years getting my hands on any bit of input and it was all directed, I'd go and learn stuff about the anatomy and physiology, the science behind it, and then next bit would just be opened up and I knew exactly the next place to go and the next place to go. So that I wanted to say that if anyone ever asked me again, how does my intuition work, I could sit there and I can confidently say, this is how mine works. And be able to bring it back into a normalized I use this in my everyday I also do it on a professional level. But I use it every single day in every single way. I started as everyone else. So let's find a way to normalize this. But I felt like he had the concrete proof. So again, I turned something that was the second most soul destroying part of my life. But I turned them into the biggest catalyst for change. And I often say now I don't know if I would be who I am and where I am, had I'd not had those experiences. But again, turn my pain into something powerful. So that that became the journey of where I made that promise always wanted to create the oracle cards. I've done that I've taught hundreds of students around how to use intuition. I, there's just all these different ways that I do and, and it was really funny because they had a person come to the house. And I don't know that he was a repair person. And again, it was so intuitively guided because somehow we got on the conversation of Biodex. And I told him about the promise I made to myself, and it was the very first time he said to me, so do you think you've lived that promise? And I went, Oh my God. I even said stop to ask that question. I was just on the pathway of I must do this. That it. It was like I just said come to the screaming halt. And I went actually I have and thank you so much because it was like, I didn't need to keep looking for it. I had everything now that I had committed myself to that promise. So I felt like I didn't owe the universe a any more in a way, and I didn't own myself anymore because I had accomplished everything that I had made that promise to myself. So that a lot of times we talk about dreams, and they're amazing. But I feel like promises. That that's that's where the magic is the promises that you make to yourself and staying committed to them. That's where the magic unfolds.

Ian Hawkins: 1:15:25

Yes. So cool. Rich, do you mind if I ask you a question about something that showed up physically through that part of the story, of course, when you talked about anxiety coming back again, it's like the, like the new one for me, actually, the scapula or the shoulder blades. And right across that sort of hide back was like, so tight, almost like an impact sort of thing. Do you have any

: 1:15:55

advice emotional elements around what that means? Is that exactly what I was saying before from the accident, I felt like the whole world was on my shoulders, I carried so much blame. So much shame around that, because people were quite it lifted at lift things very, very jagged edge. Between the relationship between myself and the guy that drove a lot of people became very angry at him. A lot of people were angry at myself, we've done something which they thought was foolish. He'd only just had his boat fix it, it was it was the steering cable that snapped deliver, never going to know that it just created so much disruption within so many people. And it left so many negative scars for so many people, because it could have been it could have turned out so much worse. And I felt like I carried all of that burden on myself. And I know I didn't need to. But that's that's what I did. I internalized and I blamed myself for what unfolded. And so that's why you would have had that experience of feeling the weight of your world feeling the weight of your world on top of your shoulders.

Ian Hawkins: 1:17:04

So what I know of that is when it shows up for me as of this, there's probably a few more layers of that tea for you to peel back might be what we've talked about a lot, how's that still showing up in your day to day life where you're feeling that responsibility, I guess. But that might be just something for you to sit with. Because I don't need to tell you how to how to do that sort of thing?

: 1:17:25

Well, it works out perfectly, because I'm just about to do a little bit of a pivot in my business. And I'm going to be sharing more around how emotions show up in our physical body that massage side of things. So it'll be something so completely new people know a little bit about that. But no means that intuitive person. Now I'm going to start sharing how intuition communicates through our physical body and how as massage therapists we can open up that doorway. So that's why this would have been coming up. I'm just going to keep it under wraps for a while. But here you go. It's out there now.

Ian Hawkins: 1:18:02

Absolutely. What's interesting is that I don't know if you've been watching the lighting on you through this thing. He's talking then everything just lit up, right.

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So yeah, I'm super excited to to show how intuition how as massage therapists, we can work with that intuition. But how the way in which I've been able to change people's lives with that intuitive side of things and the spiritual realm, you can do that as a massage therapist, is the most freakin magical thing in the whole world. And so I can't wait to share this with people with healers and massage therapists and people that want to learn about that. Because again, our intuition is communicating through our physical body, if we learn how that communication is what it's communicating to with and understand that we don't have to wait for pain points to show up for us to do something about it. So we'll come in gently and go and give you a little bit of a niggle here. Oh, if you go oh, what's that? And you again, you ask? The question of what is this is a minor is it someone else's, and start going along that way, we could start to peel back and we searched through learning how our soul is communicating through our physical structure helps us also to be able to heal and stops it from progressively turning into chronic pain that then leads to other major disruptions. So it's taking people learning that we don't need to wait for disease to happen that we can just have dis ease by having something getting balanced or a disruption going on. That is as humans we're becoming so highly evolved that even the slightest disruptions creates quite a big physiological response and energetic shifts that we can when we learn to understand how our body is communicating intuitively, we can learn to receive even more answers and help ourselves through this journey without needing to look for external validation or information from others. Sorry, that's the next chapter that's about to unfold.

Ian Hawkins: 1:20:05

I love that. And that's been something that I've been really cold towards in the last six months as well like going it alone because I've learned I can do this part myself. But to be fair, my coach leading up to me going alone with had been telling me that for a while, you know, you don't need to go and do this. You don't need to go by doing yourself out of a job. But it was like, yeah, that is like that's, that should be the intention, teach people to fish and they can eat for life. I love that. And I feel like you this is what I kind of got from that is like, it'd be really cool if you created some sort of certification around what you do, because I can always drawn, Long's drawn. I'll tell you why. I was drawn to this experience I had on the Sunshine Coast where I went for a massage, not because I needed it. But just because I was like, Okay, well, let's get a nice side railway. Well, and this lady took me still physically the most incredible experience I've had, when I say physical, I've had the full body experience. But in terms of getting a massage, like it was crazy. But what she didn't, she knew how to navigate intuitively, but didn't know how to put it all by put everything out of the box, but didn't know how to put it back in. So that I can then move forward because I actually got sick after that. And I went to see someone else. And they're like, Oh, who is this person, because you've got this going on, you got this go on this going on. And it's like how many other people are doing that sort of work and actually leaving people in a worse place, more confused place was a need, or we've been talking about our way through the structure. And the day to day application of that, I gather by that laughter is already in the works.

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Yeah. Just in the process of putting together I'm not sure whether it's going to be is, it's going to be something that does become you become certified to not to learn how to understand all this information. And it's quite interesting, because I always believe everything circles back around. And I had actually written a lot of this code, this was the direction I wanted to go in 15 years ago. And again, just very didn't thought I'll get to it one day, and one day is here now. So it's now unpacking and getting all of this out there to reach the masses of people and to help therapists become even more amazing at what they do. But understanding the power is not just in your hands, but in what you unpack for that person. So yeah, sorry, good. I was trying to keep very much and again, everything goes in its own directions.

Ian Hawkins: 1:22:37

it's time it's time to share. Yeah, very cool. Yeah. Oh, I can't read I was gonna say then, but I'm excited to hear because I think that the more structure we can put around this stuff, the more beneficial is I was gonna say is like, it's funny, you say that about 15 years ago, I find that All my stuff's come full circle to like, going back to so much of that foundational stuff that I learned, I paint a simple

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answer. And that's what structure and that's what processes goop as the simplicity, get it back to simple our brain works best when we keep it simple. Yes, we can move through different I'm just gonna say levels and layers, we've moved through different levels and layers, and then they can spread out. But if you still keep that name column, like almost like a, what do you call the high rise or high rise has the center column, you know, you can move through all of the different layers, but you must come down to that center column to be able to go up and down. And that's where simplicity and simple processes and systems come into play says that they're the they're the center column, you can get off at any level, but it just needs to still come back to that center, that center Rome. And that's where we is where the magic is, the more that we can keep it simple. That's where the magic is. It doesn't mean that it's always easy, but because it each three through each system or each process, there's dimensions within that. Don't be in such a hurry to try and sprint through everyone. Learn each system or process as well as you can. So you've got that knowledge to then move on to the next. I think as humans, we're always in such a hurry to get to the end destination that we forget to see all these magical pivotal moments that brings us back and like you were saying during full circles, like when I wanted to design the oracle cards that was just a pipe dream was something I so wanted to do. And they took eight years to come to fruition so so I always say to people, dreams and promises. They don't have expiry dates. So we need to take a little bit of that pressure off. And everything will be given to us when we need it. But as humans, we're in a hurry, because we think we're on a deadline. And that can only just make things even more distant.

Ian Hawkins: 1:25:02

So true. Oh man, I've completely lost my train of thought.

: 1:25:10

Pretty deep conversation for an hour and a half, like just jam packed it all in there.

Ian Hawkins: 1:25:17

I was gonna wrap it up there because I know conscious of time for both of us. But that was. Yeah, so very good. And I appreciate Rachel you sharing so openly and and bringing your simplicity to spirituality, which is much needed. So thank you, where can people find more of what you do, and and contact you if they've so feel called,

: 1:25:42

just to my Facebook. So I have is that and just under Rachel Thompson Phillips, I'm pretty sure you guys have put the links just close down a lot of my pages that I've had previously. So everything is just going to be done back through my personal page. But the thing I'd love to be able to share with your readers like I do when I read your reading with people is that there has been so much so much information between myself and and shared here today. Give you give each like as a call and listen to this more than once. As you listen to it, there's going to be something new that you didn't, you didn't hear that time, he may listen to this four or five times and each time you're going to be able to extract something magical from that, because there's just been so many amazing pivotal bits of information shared, don't think that the brain has the capacity to absorb it all. So listen to it. Go away, think about it, come back read listen to it. And you'll find that there will always be something there for you to be able to take away from each time. So love it. Thank you so much for having me. Like I always love these moments to be able to, again be a voice to help people along their journeys, no matter what that looks like.

Ian Hawkins: 1:26:55

Awesome. And I will I will share my own experience from diving into Rachel's card readings in the past is that they are spot on, and always leave you in a more positive space. So you do that pretty regularly. Or do you every day,

: 1:27:10

every day, Monday to Friday, I draw a card for everyone. Obviously, I still do readings for people privately. And yeah, like to be able to just energies within us every day, I always believed that if we understand what the energy is potentially giving to us as our lesson for the day, then we can navigate through the day with a little bit more ease and grace without always having to be resistance, and have those little pockets of like going, Oh, now I understand what that meaning of that card is for the day. Now this is this, you know, impactful moment that I can use that knowledge because I would normally behave this way. But now I've got this little bit of insight that says you may not that's maybe not the right approach. And so you can just apply it, I think it's just that sort of like having just a little bit of detail around how the energy is going to be for the day. And if we understand how that is then we get to work with it. We keep to keep things again, simple.

Ian Hawkins: 1:28:12

Simple. I remember what I was gonna say an hour, and it's you talked about that column. And an each of our own individual columns comes from our own personal story. And I thank you so much for sharing your story. Some pretty major life moments and sharing your lessons through that. Rachel, thank you so much.

: 1:28:33

You're so welcome. And I just I feel very humbled trips for the invitation. So thank you.

Ian Hawkins: 1:28:39

You're welcome.

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